Why Does the Disney Sequel Trilogy Hate Anakin?

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Winter wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:52 am
cilantro wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:55 pm You can tell that they didn't care about the OG Star Wars and the Prequels when they had Ray, buried his lightsaber in the sand and take over Uncle Own's moisture farm.
Yeah, the ending of ROS really is TDST in a nutshell, it's Star Wars imagery for the sake of nostalgia but has no real understanding of the lore. No one in the Skywalker family liked Tatooine, Anakin grew up as a slave and lost his mother there and hoped to never see the planet again (as stated in the the Clone Wars movie). Luke spent his entire youth hoping to one day leave said planet and lost his aunt and uncle and nearly lost his surrogate family when he returned and Leia lost her entire rebel cell and when she returned was made into a slave.

It also highlights how little they cared about Rey as she ends the Trilogy as she started it, a loner in the desert more interested in the past then the future. The same thing happened in TLJ as she started teh film hating Kylo Ren for the death of one of the Original Trio, saw Luke as a great hero and wondered how she fit into all this.

This Trilogy has no interest in characters and does whatever it can to distract you from the fact that it clearly has no story to tell.
It seems this is what happens when a studio tries to capture lightening because they try to copy the original exactly without realizing that the original had its own flaws. The Disney Sequel Trilogy feels like it has all the same flaws but none, or very few, of the same strengths and so it comes off as a very inferior copy.

The original trilogy was not a complex story but it was told very well. From the photography, to the setting, to effects and the costumes, it all works. The trilogy's main weakness, i always thought was in its characterization. Of the heroes, Han has probably the best character arc because he changes but it has the fewest gaps, Luke also changes but some points seem to be forced. Leia barely seems to change at all, and Vader's arc is not a bad idea but its handled in a poor manner. The rest of the villains are strictly one dimensional, which is not exactly a bad thing provided they are only meant to be obstacles for the heroes to overcome. Vader moves from obstacle for character, but the change is not handled gracefully, there are other stories that do the same thing but better in my opinion.

So TDST tries to have heroes that never change, ever! While their main villain is constantly trying to be a full character instead of an obstacle, but clearly has no reason or purpose to be one. Rey does change, but every little detail seems forced because she goes from one phase to another with little or no reason to.

At least the original trilogy made a point of exploring different locations, Lucas once said he wanted each film to have 3 different environments, but sequels keep going to places that are just like what we've already seen so even that part of the film seems like a cheap imitation.
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Re: Why Does the Disney Sequel Trilogy Hate Anakin?

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phantom000 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:16 am
Winter wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:52 am
cilantro wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:55 pm You can tell that they didn't care about the OG Star Wars and the Prequels when they had Ray, buried his lightsaber in the sand and take over Uncle Own's moisture farm.
Yeah, the ending of ROS really is TDST in a nutshell, it's Star Wars imagery for the sake of nostalgia but has no real understanding of the lore. No one in the Skywalker family liked Tatooine, Anakin grew up as a slave and lost his mother there and hoped to never see the planet again (as stated in the the Clone Wars movie). Luke spent his entire youth hoping to one day leave said planet and lost his aunt and uncle and nearly lost his surrogate family when he returned and Leia lost her entire rebel cell and when she returned was made into a slave.

It also highlights how little they cared about Rey as she ends the Trilogy as she started it, a loner in the desert more interested in the past then the future. The same thing happened in TLJ as she started teh film hating Kylo Ren for the death of one of the Original Trio, saw Luke as a great hero and wondered how she fit into all this.

This Trilogy has no interest in characters and does whatever it can to distract you from the fact that it clearly has no story to tell.
It seems this is what happens when a studio tries to capture lightening because they try to copy the original exactly without realizing that the original had its own flaws. The Disney Sequel Trilogy feels like it has all the same flaws but none, or very few, of the same strengths and so it comes off as a very inferior copy.

The original trilogy was not a complex story but it was told very well. From the photography, to the setting, to effects and the costumes, it all works. The trilogy's main weakness, i always thought was in its characterization. Of the heroes, Han has probably the best character arc because he changes but it has the fewest gaps, Luke also changes but some points seem to be forced. Leia barely seems to change at all, and Vader's arc is not a bad idea but its handled in a poor manner. The rest of the villains are strictly one dimensional, which is not exactly a bad thing provided they are only meant to be obstacles for the heroes to overcome. Vader moves from obstacle for character, but the change is not handled gracefully, there are other stories that do the same thing but better in my opinion.

So TDST tries to have heroes that never change, ever! While their main villain is constantly trying to be a full character instead of an obstacle, but clearly has no reason or purpose to be one. Rey does change, but every little detail seems forced because she goes from one phase to another with little or no reason to.

At least the original trilogy made a point of exploring different locations, Lucas once said he wanted each film to have 3 different environments, but sequels keep going to places that are just like what we've already seen so even that part of the film seems like a cheap imitation.
The original trilogy scripts went through a lot of people, each one adding or subtracting or bringing back an older idea. That was definitely sorely missing in both the Prequels and the Sequels.

The thing is studios need to stop acting like the movie goer is an idiot and will watch anything with a known name on it.
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Well I reaaly don't want to assume, but the way Chuck made it out... A New Hope pretty much started from an idea of a handful of characters and a grand arching conflict. Like stuff you can pretty much just sketch throughout a pad. And molded it along the way to the point where they were fitting roadmaps of character arc/drama together like in designing a GTA map as Lucas is figuring to make Darth Vader Luke's father.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:06 pm Well I reaaly don't want to assume, but the way Chuck made it out... A New Hope pretty much started from an idea of a handful of characters and a grand arching conflict. Like stuff you can pretty much just sketch throughout a pad. And molded it along the way to the point where they were fitting roadmaps of character arc/drama together like in designing a GTA map as Lucas is figuring to make Darth Vader Luke's father.
I have seen or read enough of the behind the scenes/making of Star Wars to know that Lucas didn't have a concrete idea of what Star Wars was going to be about. So IMO Chuck is pretty much correct in how Star Wars was made.

Lucas just had an idea that was constantly being molded as time went on until he got what we know as Star Wars. It is correct that Lucas didn't really have 'enough material' to make three films. At best he had some material that could be used for the next film.
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