BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:14 am
It's meant to be what Enterprise was in TOS.
It's basically the same ship by terms of size and purpose with updated technology.
Voyager has nearly three times the volume than the TOS Enterprise. Remember some of the length of the 289 meters is taken up by the nacelles. Voyager's 344 length is nearly all of it with some overhang on the small nacelles and the 'landing area' for the shuttlebay/pylons.
I got the volume from STvSW Volumetrics. He uses CGI models.
Anyway the TOS Connie has a volume minus the nacelles as 211k meters cubed. Voyager has 636k meters cubed also without the nacelles.
FYI, the Galaxy's volume is 5.8 million meters cubed. Which is about nine times that of Voyager.
It's still nearly the same height, width, and depth field with more practical use of those parameters. From the side, the saucer is comparable height, and it overall doesn't really look too much different for all practical shots we see.
Every google image search comparison shows them right next to each other.
Its innovation in contemporary terms is paralleled with Pike's Enterprise. And its purpose seems geographically reminiscent; though whereas Enterprise was tasked with exploring the same general reaches, Voyager was tasked with being able to probe such areas harder.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:53 pm
It's still nearly the same height, width, and depth field with more practical use of those parameters. From the side, the saucer is comparable height, and it overall doesn't really look too much different for all practical shots we see.
Every google image search comparison shows them right next to each other.
Its innovation in contemporary terms is paralleled with Pike's Enterprise. And its purpose seems geographically reminiscent; though whereas Enterprise was tasked with exploring the same general reaches, Voyager was tasked with being able to probe such areas harder.
Physical dimensions yes. They are similar. But I don't think they had the same missions. TOS Enterprise was a Galaxy class of its time. OK maybe an Ambassador class. The ship was one of the biggest of its time.
The Intrepid class on the other hand is a smaller class filled with a fleet of much much larger ships.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:53 pm
It's still nearly the same height, width, and depth field with more practical use of those parameters. From the side, the saucer is comparable height, and it overall doesn't really look too much different for all practical shots we see.
Every google image search comparison shows them right next to each other.
Its innovation in contemporary terms is paralleled with Pike's Enterprise. And its purpose seems geographically reminiscent; though whereas Enterprise was tasked with exploring the same general reaches, Voyager was tasked with being able to probe such areas harder.
Physical dimensions yes. They are similar. But I don't think they had the same missions. TOS Enterprise was a Galaxy class of its time. OK maybe an Ambassador class. The ship was one of the biggest of its time.
The Intrepid class on the other hand is a smaller class filled with a fleet of much much larger ships.
What I'm getting at has more to do with the spectacle of the show. Enterprise did actually have more crew as far as I'm searching.
You're bringing up trivial details to juxtapose the ships, but they are mostly trivial or don't amount to anything that's depicted to us in the show.
The fact of the matter is that when we're looking at the ships from space from show to show it's not apparent that Voyager is closer to Enterprise A than it is D+.
If you were to further bring up the mass of one ship to try to compare it to the other then I still wouldn't be very convinced. It's something that's not really brought up, and doesn't have much to do with the traversing nature of ships in the quadrant.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:53 pm
It's still nearly the same height, width, and depth field with more practical use of those parameters. From the side, the saucer is comparable height, and it overall doesn't really look too much different for all practical shots we see.
Every google image search comparison shows them right next to each other.
Its innovation in contemporary terms is paralleled with Pike's Enterprise. And its purpose seems geographically reminiscent; though whereas Enterprise was tasked with exploring the same general reaches, Voyager was tasked with being able to probe such areas harder.
Physical dimensions yes. They are similar. But I don't think they had the same missions. TOS Enterprise was a Galaxy class of its time. OK maybe an Ambassador class. The ship was one of the biggest of its time.
The Intrepid class on the other hand is a smaller class filled with a fleet of much much larger ships.
What I'm getting at has more to do with the spectacle of the show. Enterprise did actually have more crew as far as I'm searching.
You're bringing up trivial details to juxtapose the ships, but they are mostly trivial or don't amount to anything that's depicted to us in the show.
The fact of the matter is that when we're looking at the ships from space from show to show it's not apparent that Voyager is closer to Enterprise A than it is D+.
If you were to further bring up the mass of one ship to try to compare it to the other then I still wouldn't be very convinced. It's something that's not really brought up, and doesn't have much to do with the traversing nature of ships in the quadrant.
Crew size of the Enterprise is roughly three times bigger than Voyager. Though in Pike's time it was 200+.
I dunno, I don't know Star Trek technicalities but I felt that the show was based around the idea that the Voyager was not a ship meant to be as prestigious or as impressive as your typical Enterprise fair. In fact, I thought its whole feeling was that it was meant to be a middle of the road ship ala The Orville (which is okay more like the bottom of the barrel) versus the various Enterprises.
Perhaps I was equating it too much with Deep Space Nine which is a space station that was meant to be the dregs before it became the host of a wormhole.
CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:23 am
I dunno, I don't know Star Trek technicalities but I felt that the show was based around the idea that the Voyager was not a ship meant to be as prestigious or as impressive as your typical Enterprise fair. In fact, I thought its whole feeling was that it was meant to be a middle of the road ship ala The Orville (which is okay more like the bottom of the barrel) versus the various Enterprises.
Perhaps I was equating it too much with Deep Space Nine which is a space station that was meant to be the dregs before it became the host of a wormhole.
Voyager wasn't supposed to be like a Toyota Prius though. It was specifically designed like a state of the art Audi made to traverse through San Francisco. Enterprise is more like a 7 series BMW; it's not as if it can't get in over its head, but it's generally owning the road the easiest.
CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:23 am
I dunno, I don't know Star Trek technicalities but I felt that the show was based around the idea that the Voyager was not a ship meant to be as prestigious or as impressive as your typical Enterprise fair. In fact, I thought its whole feeling was that it was meant to be a middle of the road ship ala The Orville (which is okay more like the bottom of the barrel) versus the various Enterprises.
Perhaps I was equating it too much with Deep Space Nine which is a space station that was meant to be the dregs before it became the host of a wormhole.
Voyager wasn't supposed to be like a Toyota Prius though. It was specifically designed like a state of the art Audi made to traverse through San Francisco. Enterprise is more like a 7 series BMW; it's not as if it can't get in over its head, but it's generally owning the road the easiest.
Voyager of course wasn't supposed to be a Prius. Voyager was more of a Corvette. The Galaxy would be considered at best, a tank. Honestly hard to compare the two with cars. Maybe a truck that got supped up?
The best comparison would be the old time cruiser designations of pre WW1 to WW2. Intrepid could be the Des Moines class where as the Constitution class could be the Tennessee class armored cruiser.
CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:23 am
I dunno, I don't know Star Trek technicalities but I felt that the show was based around the idea that the Voyager was not a ship meant to be as prestigious or as impressive as your typical Enterprise fair. In fact, I thought its whole feeling was that it was meant to be a middle of the road ship ala The Orville (which is okay more like the bottom of the barrel) versus the various Enterprises.
Perhaps I was equating it too much with Deep Space Nine which is a space station that was meant to be the dregs before it became the host of a wormhole.
Voyager wasn't supposed to be like a Toyota Prius though. It was specifically designed like a state of the art Audi made to traverse through San Francisco. Enterprise is more like a 7 series BMW; it's not as if it can't get in over its head, but it's generally owning the road the easiest.
Voyager of course wasn't supposed to be a Prius. Voyager was more of a Corvette. The Galaxy would be considered at best, a tank. Honestly hard to compare the two with cars. Maybe a truck that got supped up?
I don't think it's very necessary for all intents and purposes. Voyager happens to be the fastest ship in service, but I think that its edge was more supposed to be its state of the art technologies and scanners. Most of what we see Enterprise doing first is exploring the galaxy on the 5 year mission, while the revamped D is much bigger but still cruises for the most part and acts as a floating arbiter of the federation or a bumble bee.
I'm not sure why you feel the comparison serves to be scrutinized to varying specifications.
Just a thought on Voyager being a lesser ship.
In one episode Harry commented to Tom that the ship was not meant for long term habitation. One issue being obvious that the walls between the cabins are thin. So he irks the guy next door when he tries to practice his music.
