Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:58 pm
Isn't Chuck a former History teacher who now specialises in fiction?
Or am I misremembering his former occupation?
He certainly is/was a teacher. I don't remember the subject coming up.
IIRC, Chuck has said he was a professional substitute.
On the subject of cars, Trek has not just transporters free for all, but free shuttle ride hailing services too. And the debate on energy efficiency is a moot one when you have safe matter/anti matter reactors. They have inexhaustible clean energy so it doesn't matter if shuttles or transporters chew power, they have more than they could ever use of it anyway. Plus all public places seem to be pedestrianised. Most of the highways and roads were probably destroyed in WW3, and the Vulcans helped build back better with public transport options, so opportunities to use cars would be limited and they were probably recycled for the materials needed to recover from that conflict. A lot of petroleum extraction sites were probably trashed too, so very little gas available to run them on, as most remaining hydrocarbon deposits-extraction sites would be needed to produce materials and medicines.
Horses, on the otherhand, are not just self replicating, but also carbon neutral and easily refueable without infrastructure. They can endure longer as a hobbyist and "heritage" farming tool.
Right, there is no need for personal transport as a necessity. Private options probably exist, but are a novelty. Imagine, a working, efficient public transportation system!
Joyriding is probably done by enthusiasts in either a holodeck, or on some planet like Risa that is dedicated to it as a physical hobby or sport.
The folks we see all live and work their lives in space. On starships. Cars are pretty useless, even if you had one.
Transporters, shuttles, and long-range transports fill all of the necessary distances one might need to travel (planetary, intra-planetary, inter-system, respectively).
The energy cost for creation, maintenance, and powering these systems is (as far as we're told) a solved problem that is not relevant on any scale that would affect the everyday person.
I am pretty sure some car collector has the ability to replicate the gasoline or deisel to run them. I am no expert on these things but how complicated would it really be to program a replicator to make that anyway?
These lack of issues like power, transportation and food most likely are prevalent in the big core worlds, homeworlds.
I am sure official colonies probably has some sort of degree of this too. I do wonder about the fringe planets like we saw in DS9.
And Star Trek Nemesis does show that wheeled vehicles still exist in some form, with the Argo go-kart, for situations like... I dunno, if you are trying to get out of a contract by putting increasingly unreasonable demands for being in the movie to try and get the producers to say it isn't worth it.
They are just super niche things. Hopefully all 24thC cars have clean energy engines though, all gasoline, petrol, and diesel ones ripped out, because I don't see them putting up with the environmental damage caused by them then.
The idea that ground vehicles don't exist anymore in the 24th century is extremely suspect to me at least in a military context. That kind of thing is sorely missing on countless ST battlefields. No personnel carriers, no mechanized infantry and no armored vehicles. These seem like they would be very useful as flying equivalents would be easy to shoot down with futuristic sensors and guidance systems. Considering the apparent absence of the transporters on ST battlefields, just moving troops around the lines on foot seems like it would cause more fatigue and attrition than modern troops suffer.
CrypticMirror wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:52 am
And Star Trek Nemesis does show that wheeled vehicles still exist in some form, with the Argo go-kart, for situations like... I dunno, if you are trying to get out of a contract by putting increasingly unreasonable demands for being in the movie to try and get the producers to say it isn't worth it.
They are just super niche things. Hopefully all 24thC cars have clean energy engines though, all gasoline, petrol, and diesel ones ripped out, because I don't see them putting up with the environmental damage caused by them then.
The modern 24th century car probably has the same power source as any other flying car. Maybe not a antimatter reaction device but perhaps a damn good battery. We are not that far ourselves from having truly efficient battery operated cars. We are pretty much there.
Vintage cars that collectors have?
It's possible that either vintage gas powered cars are kept as static displays or they do use gasoline with some sort of attachment in the exhaust system that collects everything from getting into the atmosphere.
Or they very very small number of these gasoline cars don't pose anything to the planet. And perhaps the environmental controls Earth has can filter it out.
remagynona wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:22 am
The idea that ground vehicles don't exist anymore in the 24th century is extremely suspect to me at least in a military context. That kind of thing is sorely missing on countless ST battlefields. No personnel carriers, no mechanized infantry and no armored vehicles. These seem like they would be very useful as flying equivalents would be easy to shoot down with futuristic sensors and guidance systems. Considering the apparent absence of the transporters on ST battlefields, just moving troops around the lines on foot seems like it would cause more fatigue and attrition than modern troops suffer.
It is possible that those increasing sensor technologies have advanced to the point that drones/artillery/phaser systems/whatever are able to target anything that moves, including wheeled vehicles, and warfare is pretty much slinging weaponry at each other until the trenches grind together and they can shoot and fight at close range. The supertech means either victory in the opening seconds against non-peer forces with beaming in and shuttles which don't need to obey the laws of aerodynamics, or it cancels each other out and they have to grind away at the edges of each other until the trenches meet and they take each other out at close range. There is just not the need for personnel carriers as we know it, because it is either safe for transporters and shuttles within your supertech field, or you are moving on foot at the edge of your own supertech field to avoid being toasted by the enemy's supertech.
Wow, you are an unimaginitive one. We are already at a point where our sensors and weaponry can pick up everything and shoot everything and yet, there are tanks, planes, APCs and god knows what still around. If your only modes of transport are either beaming or walking, you've failed as a military command-structure, because everything and their mom prevents beaming, everything and their dad disrupts sensors and so on and on and on. A simple buggy like the Argo is leaps and bounds ahead of anything your foot-soldiers can do both in terms of mobility and firepower, is relatively low tech so is comparatively easy to repair and maintain, while avoiding the vulnerabilities that cutting edge technology usually brings along. Just look on modern battlefields. Technicals are an extremely effective thing, despite drone-strikes, cruise-missiles and observation from space.
"If you get shot up by an A6M Reisen and your plane splits into pieces - does that mean it's divided by Zero?
- xoxSAUERKRAUTxox
Honestly i doubt earth has any antimatter power stations. It would be insanely dangerous in the best of times. A reactor failure, which we've seen many times on the shows, would probably result in the destruction of most of the planet. Ejecting a warp core wouldn't be quite as fast and easy when you're on a gravity well! They've often mentioned the existence of fusion generators. I suspect these are what would provide planet based power.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:40 pm
Wow, you are an unimaginitive one. We are already at a point where our sensors and weaponry can pick up everything and shoot everything and yet, there are tanks, planes, APCs and god knows what still around. If your only modes of transport are either beaming or walking, you've failed as a military command-structure, because everything and their mom prevents beaming, everything and their dad disrupts sensors and so on and on and on. A simple buggy like the Argo is leaps and bounds ahead of anything your foot-soldiers can do both in terms of mobility and firepower, is relatively low tech so is comparatively easy to repair and maintain, while avoiding the vulnerabilities that cutting edge technology usually brings along. Just look on modern battlefields. Technicals are an extremely effective thing, despite drone-strikes, cruise-missiles and observation from space.
Definitely agree. Airpower is huge and would still be a big deal in ground combat in Trek. The shuttles we see in Trek kinda works for flying troop transports like helicopters.
The ability to make strikes from the air on ground troops is a big deal.
Also pin point accuracy means nothing if your phaser is incapable of bringing down a larger craft like a shuttle or Trek equivalent of a fighter. Like the ones we saw in DS9.
It would be all about the energy something can produce. A larger craft like a shuttle or fighter can take much more to their shields than what let's say a phaser rifle can make. Likewise, a phaser strike would be more powerful than the phaser output of a rifle.
Or that is what it should be.
I always mused on what a phaser gatling gun would look like. Would it be like the Defiant shooting short pulses or would it be like shooting longer phaser beams like from Enterprise or Voyager.
