Yukaphile wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:32 pm
I mean, in any realistic universe where the Federation didn't have magic tech and help from the writers, the Ancients would be far superior since they built entire galactic gate networks out of what it took the Prophets to do, which was far superior to them, as seen in the TNG-DS9 era. A stable wormhole was something that was only theoretical until then, and it was artificial. But of course that's not the universe the Federation lives in, sadly.
Uhm Yuka? Realistic universe for Star Trek or Stargate? Both places have essentially gods. IE anyone ascended for SG and Q and a plethora of others for ST.
You want realistic I would say find a good comparison for Firefly.
At least the Ascended have a slightly more grounded realism, that when we shed our corporeal bodies, we become energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, just changes states in an isolated system. Not become near-omnipotent, but you get the idea.
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Y'know, it occurs to me that you never actually stipulated which Federation we are talking about here as we go Abrams Federation, transwarp beaming renders the stargate completely obsolete. They also have photon torpedoes with solar system range. There is no real reason why the Prime Federation won't be able to do the same one day.
And speaking of Abrams, red matter very much exists in the Prime Federation and that can create black holes.
BTW, I've been thinking of this as the 24th century Federation vs the Ancients, but that is not actually the current era we're in, it's the 32nd century right? The era with commbadges that have integrated transporters and tricorders? The era of bring able to fill ships full of disposable holographic crews that you can send on suicide runs?
I dunno man. Hyperdrive advantage aside, I just don't see the Ancients winning this.
Or heck, they could bring in casual time travel if they really need it.
Also: Random aside when looking at the timeline:
3069 - A cataclysmic galaxy-wide event referred to as "The Burn" occurs.
3074 - The main plot of the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Living Witness" takes place, and the final scene takes place "many years" after that.
Kind of puts the Doctor heading back to Earth on a bit of a down note (though definitely less than one if it happened the other way around.)
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In my addendum, I stipulated we're going with the DS9 take - where artificial wormholes are so rare that the Federation sure can't create them. Hell, the Prophets kinda seem like Ascended beings themselves. There is a lot of similarities between DS9 and SG-1, now you think about it. The false gods, and so forth.
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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:32 pm
I mean, in any realistic universe where the Federation didn't have magic tech and help from the writers, the Ancients would be far superior since they built entire galactic gate networks out of what it took the Prophets to do, which was far superior to them, as seen in the TNG-DS9 era. A stable wormhole was something that was only theoretical until then, and it was artificial. But of course that's not the universe the Federation lives in, sadly.
The whole universe of StarGate is that 20th-21st century humans from Earth can understand, repair, manipulate, and replicate alien tech.
There is no magic Federation tech here that needs to be involved. If the Tauri can figure it all out, then the Federation will figure it out even quicker.
That is the big weakness in Stargate versus anyone. The fact the advanced technology of the so called advanced aliens can be figured out with late 90's computer tech. Xbox One for example can do 6 teraflops. The most powerful super computer in 1997 can do 1.3 teraflops. PS5 for comparison can do a bit more than 10 teraflops.
Now imagine 340 years of computer advancement to TNG or DS9.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:15 amThe most powerful super computer in 1997 can do 1.3 teraflops. PS5 for comparison can do a bit more than 10 teraflops.
Filthy console-peasents... 3090TIs reach about 35 generic TeraFLOPS and, when it comes to ray-tracing, even nearly reach 70 TeraFLOPS.
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I do like looking into ancient computers from the late sixties into the early seventies. It is fascinating. Especially since, as my recent threads hint, ReBoot was one of my favorite childhood shows and I still rewatch it occasionally. I been actually writing up a small vignette series called "The Users Must Be Crazy" that put the mainframe computer seen in ReBoot - within the virtual subspace domain of the SGC.
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McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:15 amThe most powerful super computer in 1997 can do 1.3 teraflops. PS5 for comparison can do a bit more than 10 teraflops.
Filthy console-peasents... 3090TIs reach about 35 generic TeraFLOPS and, when it comes to ray-tracing, even nearly reach 70 TeraFLOPS.
Yeah I didn't want to look up actual computers. Felt that the consoles was good enough.
FYI, the human brain is estimated to be at 100. I wonder how they came up with that. I barely can do one calculation per second.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:25 am
FYI, the human brain is estimated to be at 100. I wonder how they came up with that. I barely can do one calculation per second.
Yeah that's pretty normal. Pen-and-paper multiplication is on the order of 0.1 per second.
A human brain pegged a 100 teraflops is most likely a Kurzweilian bullshit figure that ignores that the software component of the human brain is the tricky part.
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