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Re: Does humanity deserve to live?

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clearspira wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:52 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:33 pm We live with an extremely mentally ill person, my older half-brother. He never kept the joint clean, he slopped food after himself, my mom can't keep up even with my help, we've been begging for professional cleaning services to come in and HELP, like in 2016, but no one was willing to do it. I personally think they just wanna make back COVID losses since the eviction mortarium expired last month, and they found all the excuse they needed. Even back when we were cleaning better than this, we were never good enough for them. They'd complain about meat we had out to cook that day. Now we have roaches. Ofc, we've been through vermin infestations before. Like termites, bedbugs, and others. But they gave us a week to vacate. A week. That expires today. That is zero time, especially with the weekend coming up. But these people are sharks, what can you do. For a while, we're going to be living in our car. Like it was in 2009.

I'll say something that will probably make Fuzzy happy. I'm REALLY in favor of repealing the vagrancy law. Good intentions, but all it takes is ONE overzealous cop to enforce a law that, well, people are not poor by choice, it just happens. I'll also take a moment to call out clearspira in that I don't think oblivion awaits us in the beyond. Yeah, I've questioned what happens over and over, but there's zero proof one way or another and it's not as absolute as he made it sound. But I've really stopped caring. My life is a waste and I don't care if I'm here, really.
Which is why oblivion is the most likely answer. Religion is at least 10,000 years old and the combined efforts of all of those priests, oracles, scholars, and followers for all of those millennia is... ''zero'' evidence. Uh-huh.

Anyway, this isn't another religion thread. I just hope it works out better for you. Things can and do improve as hard as it is to see now.
To be, or not to be--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep--
No more--and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep--
To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

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I have a few minutes on a library computer. I actually think quantum mechanics is the START to understanding the non-physical world. It is by no means the end. If there's one thing we've learned in 6,000 years, it should be that LIFE and THE UNIVERSE is not simple. It's a billion billion billion billion billion intricately interlocked processes. And a GIANT universe, to boot, that's probably bigger than we can imagine. There's no room in there for ancient concepts like reincarnation for a modern age? Human beings are way too materialistic and I think embracing the non-physical universe will help us move past it. Even though, to name one example, I don't think meditation could help someone like me. My thoughts just race, and that's supposed to be the pathway to a greater enlightenment. Even with the possibility of oblivion, quantum consciousness is certainly possible. But look at how far materialism has taken us in TODAY'S age. Not very far. While quantum mechanics birthed the modern electronics age. We are so limited. We just need to start seeing and THINKING in new dimensions. But that's just me. Later.
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Do you even know how to buddhism?
..What mirror universe?
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Laugh all you want, but it seems to me a big flaw of science these days, as an institutional body and not a philosophy, is that they have made little progress into studying the non-physical world, because we are limited materialistic being who can only think in such small, limited dimensions, and yet we get so arrogant in thinking to KNOW how matter BEHAVES we therefore assume we know WHY it behaves that way. Six thousand years? Well, we're really just a young species with much to learn. We're barely out of the jungle. The day we have space habitats spread over the solar system, we'll truly be closer to more oneness with the universe. I believe that practically everything we know about the universe is WRONG. Again, understanding how matter behaves is useless unless you can grasp the intrinsic nature of matter, and we have not.

I'm also not sure what the issue understanding is. We lived with an extremely mentally ill man who left messes, we got cockroaches, and we were never clean enough for those bastards at Granite City, so they gave us a week to vacate. The last two weeks have been pure hell, and for the last week we've stayed at a hotel with the shittiest wifi in the universe. But today at 9 AM, hopefully we can sign a lease to get into a new place and this nightmare is over soon.
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I don't take personal opinions about someone or a third party as gospel. If your housing habits lead to the housing taking damage or being infested by vermin, then they are in their full right to throw you out, particularly if you can't manage to get things in order and doubly so if other people live in the same house and get into trouble because of issues you cause.
Now why you run into issues with keeping things clean is an entirely different matter and if it is like you describe, then you have my sympathies. But even then you have to ask yourself: How did it get so bad? I don't run the cleanliest household in the world either, but I've yet to run into any such troubles as you. You mentioned you live in a three-person household. One of which is apparently mentally unable to take care of himself and the other two seem to have mental issues. I can't say much about your mom, but I can say a few things about you and I have the nagging feeling that you are projecting your personal problems onto others. But that right there is your problem, not the world's. I sincerely wish it would be easier for you to deal with your problems, but unfortunately you're not living in an environment that can or wants to help you much, so it's entirely down to you and your mom to get things in order and no amount of hatred against a landlord, who only wants to protect his property (a very valid concern imo), is going to fix your problems. I'll give you a little hint: Ranting on the internet isn't going to help you. Spending the time you waste writing about how terrible your lot in life is on cleaning the house some more instead, will get you much further.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:06 pm I have a few minutes on a library computer. I actually think quantum mechanics is the START to understanding the non-physical world. It is by no means the end. If there's one thing we've learned in 6,000 years, it should be that LIFE and THE UNIVERSE is not simple. It's a billion billion billion billion billion intricately interlocked processes. And a GIANT universe, to boot, that's probably bigger than we can imagine. There's no room in there for ancient concepts like reincarnation for a modern age? Human beings are way too materialistic and I think embracing the non-physical universe will help us move past it. Even though, to name one example, I don't think meditation could help someone like me. My thoughts just race, and that's supposed to be the pathway to a greater enlightenment. Even with the possibility of oblivion, quantum consciousness is certainly possible. But look at how far materialism has taken us in TODAY'S age. Not very far. While quantum mechanics birthed the modern electronics age. We are so limited. We just need to start seeing and THINKING in new dimensions. But that's just me. Later.
You don't like materialism and yet you are thinking of the non-physical through a materialistic lens.

It's annoying, but I can understand, we're all steeped in it deeply. It's just that this sort of viewpoint grinds my gears with fundamentalists (who, yes, are materialists though they'd never recognize it).

There's different kinds of meditation. Just got for walks and spend your time noticing what is around you that you pass by, then over weeks, see what subtly changes over time.
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Yukaphile wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:21 pm Felt I had to pipe in here. This is not "likes of them" as some kinda bigot thing, this is "the likes of them" as in the vast, vast majority of people are MORONS. Including yours truly. And since we've been evicted and this is the last day I can be online while we enter some truly hard times in finding a new place, is it so wrong, really, if that's the eventual end state? Why wait, let's rush it. Yeah, I know a lot of users here won't believe that. Whatever. I've stopped caring what you think of me.
Take is as an opportunity to grow, Yuke.

That is not a platitude on my part, trust me. 14 years ago I spent a year starving one winter without heat. I lost 100 pounds by the time things got better.

As nasty as they were, I only have the good memories from it. Like being so happy I got a new toothbrush as a Christmas present. As Spring came, I was once able to enjoy a warm cup of tea after going and getting a book from the library to read in a house lit only by daylight. It was quiet and tranquil and not a setting I'd have created had I had a choice in the matter; my TV and computer would be on drowning out that wonderful moment if I had to choose.

Good can come from such suffering even if it's a tragedy to have it forced upon you.
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Yukaphile wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:45 am Laugh all you want, but it seems to me a big flaw of science these days, as an institutional body and not a philosophy, is that they have made little progress into studying the non-physical world
There IS no non-physical world. Physics is all there is. How can we study the nonexistent?
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Frustration wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:25 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:45 am Laugh all you want, but it seems to me a big flaw of science these days, as an institutional body and not a philosophy, is that they have made little progress into studying the non-physical world
There IS no non-physical world. Physics is all there is. How can we study the nonexistent?
That science is called philosophy.
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Madner Kami wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:04 pm That science is called philosophy.
Well, Philosophy isn't a science but it is worth studying.
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