Britney's Spear spied on by her own father.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

In fact, he's a great example of a man who should have had his power of spending his own money taken away. This is a man who was so in debt by the end because he spent all of his money on expensive tat that he agreed to a concert tour that ultimately helped kill him.

So everyone who's fiscally irresponsible should have their financial independence taken away from them and assigned to someone else? Well that sounds like great way to enrich myself, where do I sign the petition?

He wasn't just fiscally irresponsible. He was about to lose his and his children's house and would have been left with nothing. Maybe if we as a society were more interventionist we would have less homeless.

Well, Brittney Spears was 26 when she had the conservatorship. Had repeatedly said her father was abusive and out of her life.

And it was her money she earned.

So...uh...fuck him.

So you agree that the rights afforded to him in the constitution should be denied as punishment for moral crimes he’s committed?

Do you smoke crack? Is it crack that you smoke?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

In fact, he's a great example of a man who should have had his power of spending his own money taken away. This is a man who was so in debt by the end because he spent all of his money on expensive tat that he agreed to a concert tour that ultimately helped kill him.

So everyone who's fiscally irresponsible should have their financial independence taken away from them and assigned to someone else? Well that sounds like great way to enrich myself, where do I sign the petition?

He wasn't just fiscally irresponsible. He was about to lose his and his children's house and would have been left with nothing. Maybe if we as a society were more interventionist we would have less homeless.

Well, Brittney Spears was 26 when she had the conservatorship. Had repeatedly said her father was abusive and out of her life.

And it was her money she earned.

So...uh...fuck him.

So you agree that the rights afforded to him in the constitution should be denied as punishment for moral crimes he’s committed?

Do you smoke crack? Is it crack that you smoke?

Thought there was some pizza in the thread that needed cutting.

[McAvoy]

Frankly, I think we should abolish conservatorships altogether. The institution is just too open to abuse and exploitation of this kind and the good it does is outweighed by the harm.

I am not that familiar with the whole converatorship thing. Are social workers involved? Do they do tests on the person involved? Mandatory session with independent psychologists? Plus stuff that I might be forgetting about or not know about?

[CharlesPhipps]

Frankly, I think we should abolish conservatorships altogether. The institution is just too open to abuse and exploitation of this kind and the good it does is outweighed by the harm.

I am not that familiar with the whole converatorship thing. Are social workers involved? Do they do tests on the person involved? Mandatory session with independent psychologists? Plus stuff that I might be forgetting about or not know about?

The very short version is:

It was to meant that dementia people without relatives wouldn't die in the middle of their house after not paying their bills for months. What it became was people would sign up, drain their bank accounts, and lock them up until they died.

[McAvoy]

Frankly, I think we should abolish conservatorships altogether. The institution is just too open to abuse and exploitation of this kind and the good it does is outweighed by the harm.

I am not that familiar with the whole converatorship thing. Are social workers involved? Do they do tests on the person involved? Mandatory session with independent psychologists? Plus stuff that I might be forgetting about or not know about?

The very short version is:

It was to meant that dementia people without relatives wouldn't die in the middle of their house after not paying their bills for months. What it became was people would sign up, drain their bank accounts, and lock them up until they died.

My Mom and her sister had that for their parents (my grandparents) were that because of them having dimentia in their last years of their lives.

[CharlesPhipps]

Yeah, it's a good idea in theory but has been horrifically abused by con men.

And if Brittney can do shows and ask for lawyers to protect her from her father, she's absolutely able to make her own decisions.

We don't have conservatorships for schizophrenics and its VERY questionable she has any condition other than stress from the dozens of people she deals with every day from bodyguards to friends.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I mean I'd probably go crazy if Jamie Spears was my father, but that's no call to deny any person with a mental illness their financial autonomy.

[CharlesPhipps]

I mean I'd probably go crazy if Jamie Spears was my father, but that's no call to deny any person with a mental illness their financial autonomy.

Allow me to give what a real lawyer would have asked:

Lawyer: Your Honor, may I ask what sort of medical attention Ms. Spears has been given to treat her condition and what that condition is, exactly?

The Netflix documentary tracked down the psychologist who labeled Brittney unfit and he absolutely refused to admit he said it even though it was said in the court documents. Probably because he knows he'll have his ass sued to hell if Brittney gets back her life.

[McAvoy]

I mean I'd probably go crazy if Jamie Spears was my father, but that's no call to deny any person with a mental illness their financial autonomy.

I'm not up to date about her situation and what led up to this. But I do remember that Jamie Spears wasnt exactly let's say the best father to her during her childhood and during her prime fame time.

How did he manage to get that much power over her after all that 14 years later anyway?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

As I've spent most of the thread explaining, because conservatorships as an institution are ripe for abuse to the point of fermentation. There's also a sizeable intersection between societal misogyny and societal ablism.