Biden Sics FBI On Dissenting Parents

[Nealithi]

Pardon me while I sit on the fence a moment. But where is the line?
Where is the separation of angry parent against an uncaring school system and a genuine terroristic threat?

Well that's why you have an investigation. By federal law, using interstate communication (i.e. the Internet) to issue death threats is a crime. An example I read about from seven years ago had it happen over and over again and they were pretty detailed, not just "Die Bitch!" or anything like that. How many people who are just mad say things like "If I only knew then what I know now . . . I would have smothered your ass with a pillow. Dumped your body in the back seat. Dropped you off in Toad Creek and made it look like a rape and murder."

I hope so. I see too many efforts put together with little oversight or forethought and they do bad things to decent people.
And the internet point makes me wince. Little johnny getting on mom or dad's email to tell off Mrs. Crabowitz. And now there are FBI agents at the door.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merric ... errorists/

"On Monday, Garland sent a memo to the federal law enforcement agency directing it to coordinate with the nation's 14,000 school districts. This action comes after the Biden administration received a plea from the National School Boards Association (NSBA) to protect schools from the "imminent threat" of parents sending "threatening letters and cyberbullying" school officials. The association considers such activities to be akin to "domestic terrorism."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes," wrote the NSBA.

Has some great number of teachers, principals, and district leaders come under violent attack? Of course not. What both the Justice Department and the concerned school boards are really talking about it is the increased number of recent community meetings that have featured angry feedback from parents. These parents are sick of COVID-19 mitigation efforts that have relegated actual students to afterthought status within the education department: the farce of virtual learning, mandatory closure when asymptomatic cases are detected, ceaseless masking. Young people who have the least to fear from the pandemic—the severe disease and death rate for the under-18 crowd is extremely low—have been forced to make tremendous educational and social sacrifices to bend the curve of COVID-19. Families are fed up with a public education system that puts the needs of students last, and they are speaking up about it."

The parents groups respond to the NSBA crying to the Biden administration here:

https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ ... OLLiLHhPWE

"NSBA cites a tiny number of minor incidents in order to insinuate that parents who are criticizing and
protesting the decisions of school boards are engaging in, or may be engaging in, “domestic terrorism
and hate crimes.” NSBA even invokes the PATRIOT Act. The association of legitimate protest with
terrorism and violence reveals both your contempt for parents and your unwillingness to understand
and hear the sincere cries of parents on behalf of their children. To equate parents with terrorists
dishonors the thousands of victims of actual terrorism around the world. Have you no shame?

Your letter to President Biden is a thinly veiled threat, intended to intimidate into silence and
submission the very constituents that your members ostensibly represent."


This action by Bidn's Justice Department is an attack on our values as a representative republic by an insulated, intellectually incestuous technocratic elite who cannot abide dissent.

It's a start for better care of our teachers by the fed. Next the Biden admin needs to raise teacher wages.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Pardon me while I sit on the fence a moment. But where is the line?
Where is the separation of angry parent against an uncaring school system and a genuine terroristic threat?

Well that's why you have an investigation. By federal law, using interstate communication (i.e. the Internet) to issue death threats is a crime. An example I read about from seven years ago had it happen over and over again and they were pretty detailed, not just "Die Bitch!" or anything like that. How many people who are just mad say things like "If I only knew then what I know now . . . I would have smothered your ass with a pillow. Dumped your body in the back seat. Dropped you off in Toad Creek and made it look like a rape and murder."

I hope so. I see too many efforts put together with little oversight or forethought and they do bad things to decent people.
And the internet point makes me wince. Little johnny getting on mom or dad's email to tell off Mrs. Crabowitz. And now there are FBI agents at the door.

Our fences are pretty crowded, yet somehow the seat only seems to get occupied from butts going one direction.
FBI agents at the door are not specific to the "parents sending death threats because they think masks are tyrrany and somehow blame the teachers for mask mandates" crowd. Ever heard of Swatting?

OP is framing this as a bad-faith attempt by Biden to punish freedom fighters resisting tyrrany via sending rape and murder fantasies to teachers who don't even have any choice in the matter. Please consider that side of the debate when you consider where to plant your backside.

[Nealithi]

Pardon me while I sit on the fence a moment. But where is the line?
Where is the separation of angry parent against an uncaring school system and a genuine terroristic threat?

Well that's why you have an investigation. By federal law, using interstate communication (i.e. the Internet) to issue death threats is a crime. An example I read about from seven years ago had it happen over and over again and they were pretty detailed, not just "Die Bitch!" or anything like that. How many people who are just mad say things like "If I only knew then what I know now . . . I would have smothered your ass with a pillow. Dumped your body in the back seat. Dropped you off in Toad Creek and made it look like a rape and murder."

I hope so. I see too many efforts put together with little oversight or forethought and they do bad things to decent people.
And the internet point makes me wince. Little johnny getting on mom or dad's email to tell off Mrs. Crabowitz. And now there are FBI agents at the door.

Our fences are pretty crowded, yet somehow the seat only seems to get occupied from butts going one direction.
FBI agents at the door are not specific to the "parents sending death threats because they think masks are tyrrany and somehow blame the teachers for mask mandates" crowd. Ever heard of Swatting?

OP is framing this as a bad-faith attempt by Biden to punish freedom fighters resisting tyrrany via sending rape and murder fantasies to teachers who don't even have any choice in the matter. Please consider that side of the debate when you consider where to plant your backside.

Oh I do consider it. I considered swatting. And I considered that when I was in school they made a new asset seizure rule that if any amount of drugs was found on your property the police could take your property with little to no chance of getting it back. When I mentioned this was rife for abuse. I was shouted down by teachers and students alike that this was to target drug dealers. Why was I on their side. The government and police would never abuse that power.
I wonder how many of those that told me I was utterly wrong look back and realize I was being kind with how little it would be abused.
All new rules must be weighed carefully.
If this is simply sending the FBI to do their job and weed out the genuine threats? I am fine with it, investigate away. Make it a new rule? Weigh that thing and look for absolutely every way it can be abused or it will, not may, bite you in the rear.

[Madner Kami]

I wonder how many of those that told me I was utterly wrong look back and realize I was being kind with how little it would be abused.

They'll all think back of that occurance, nod their head about it being prophetic and how wrong they were, then turn around and will do the exact same thing again and again and again.

[Nealithi]

I wonder how many of those that told me I was utterly wrong look back and realize I was being kind with how little it would be abused.

They'll all think back of that occurance, nod their head about it being prophetic and how wrong they were, then turn around and will do the exact same thing again and again and again.

Thank you. This first part gave me a chuckle. And yes I think the summation is accurate.
But the cynic makes me wonder how introspective other people are. Did anyone look back?

Again thank you I sometimes dread coming to the forums and this was a bit brighter.

[Mickey_Rat15]

That's an odd way to say "FBI investigates parents who sent death threats to teachers because people above said teachers put a mask mandate in place, thereby saving students lives."

Except for the fact that most of the examples in the school board association's letter were not have violent threats. They were primarily objecting to heated dissent.

[Mickey_Rat15]

https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merric ... errorists/

"On Monday, Garland sent a memo to the federal law enforcement agency directing it to coordinate with the nation's 14,000 school districts. This action comes after the Biden administration received a plea from the National School Boards Association (NSBA) to protect schools from the "imminent threat" of parents sending "threatening letters and cyberbullying" school officials. The association considers such activities to be akin to "domestic terrorism."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes," wrote the NSBA.

Has some great number of teachers, principals, and district leaders come under violent attack? Of course not. What both the Justice Department and the concerned school boards are really talking about it is the increased number of recent community meetings that have featured angry feedback from parents. These parents are sick of COVID-19 mitigation efforts that have relegated actual students to afterthought status within the education department: the farce of virtual learning, mandatory closure when asymptomatic cases are detected, ceaseless masking. Young people who have the least to fear from the pandemic—the severe disease and death rate for the under-18 crowd is extremely low—have been forced to make tremendous educational and social sacrifices to bend the curve of COVID-19. Families are fed up with a public education system that puts the needs of students last, and they are speaking up about it."

The parents groups respond to the NSBA crying to the Biden administration here:

https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ ... OLLiLHhPWE

"NSBA cites a tiny number of minor incidents in order to insinuate that parents who are criticizing and
protesting the decisions of school boards are engaging in, or may be engaging in, “domestic terrorism
and hate crimes.” NSBA even invokes the PATRIOT Act. The association of legitimate protest with
terrorism and violence reveals both your contempt for parents and your unwillingness to understand
and hear the sincere cries of parents on behalf of their children. To equate parents with terrorists
dishonors the thousands of victims of actual terrorism around the world. Have you no shame?

Your letter to President Biden is a thinly veiled threat, intended to intimidate into silence and
submission the very constituents that your members ostensibly represent."


This action by Bidn's Justice Department is an attack on our values as a representative republic by an insulated, intellectually incestuous technocratic elite who cannot abide dissent.

It's a start for better care of our teachers by the fed. Next the Biden admin needs to raise teacher wages.

The federal government has no general police power, the FBI should have no authority. The federal government has no authority of teacher's wages. That is a state and local matter. Even if it was, that is a matter for Congress, not the executive. You are implicitly asking for a dictatorship.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merric ... errorists/

"On Monday, Garland sent a memo to the federal law enforcement agency directing it to coordinate with the nation's 14,000 school districts. This action comes after the Biden administration received a plea from the National School Boards Association (NSBA) to protect schools from the "imminent threat" of parents sending "threatening letters and cyberbullying" school officials. The association considers such activities to be akin to "domestic terrorism."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes," wrote the NSBA.

Has some great number of teachers, principals, and district leaders come under violent attack? Of course not. What both the Justice Department and the concerned school boards are really talking about it is the increased number of recent community meetings that have featured angry feedback from parents. These parents are sick of COVID-19 mitigation efforts that have relegated actual students to afterthought status within the education department: the farce of virtual learning, mandatory closure when asymptomatic cases are detected, ceaseless masking. Young people who have the least to fear from the pandemic—the severe disease and death rate for the under-18 crowd is extremely low—have been forced to make tremendous educational and social sacrifices to bend the curve of COVID-19. Families are fed up with a public education system that puts the needs of students last, and they are speaking up about it."

The parents groups respond to the NSBA crying to the Biden administration here:

https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ ... OLLiLHhPWE

"NSBA cites a tiny number of minor incidents in order to insinuate that parents who are criticizing and
protesting the decisions of school boards are engaging in, or may be engaging in, “domestic terrorism
and hate crimes.” NSBA even invokes the PATRIOT Act. The association of legitimate protest with
terrorism and violence reveals both your contempt for parents and your unwillingness to understand
and hear the sincere cries of parents on behalf of their children. To equate parents with terrorists
dishonors the thousands of victims of actual terrorism around the world. Have you no shame?

Your letter to President Biden is a thinly veiled threat, intended to intimidate into silence and
submission the very constituents that your members ostensibly represent."


This action by Bidn's Justice Department is an attack on our values as a representative republic by an insulated, intellectually incestuous technocratic elite who cannot abide dissent.

It's a start for better care of our teachers by the fed. Next the Biden admin needs to raise teacher wages.

The federal government has no authority of teacher's wages. That is a state and local matter. Even if it was, that is a matter for Congress, not the executive. You are implicitly asking for a dictatorship.

All teachers are motherland for our foundation. We shall entitle them the prospects to which they afford society. Nobody will argue with this.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Pardon me while I sit on the fence a moment. But where is the line?
Where is the separation of angry parent against an uncaring school system and a genuine terroristic threat?

Well that's why you have an investigation. By federal law, using interstate communication (i.e. the Internet) to issue death threats is a crime. An example I read about from seven years ago had it happen over and over again and they were pretty detailed, not just "Die Bitch!" or anything like that. How many people who are just mad say things like "If I only knew then what I know now . . . I would have smothered your ass with a pillow. Dumped your body in the back seat. Dropped you off in Toad Creek and made it look like a rape and murder."

I hope so. I see too many efforts put together with little oversight or forethought and they do bad things to decent people.
And the internet point makes me wince. Little johnny getting on mom or dad's email to tell off Mrs. Crabowitz. And now there are FBI agents at the door.

Our fences are pretty crowded, yet somehow the seat only seems to get occupied from butts going one direction.
FBI agents at the door are not specific to the "parents sending death threats because they think masks are tyrrany and somehow blame the teachers for mask mandates" crowd. Ever heard of Swatting?

OP is framing this as a bad-faith attempt by Biden to punish freedom fighters resisting tyrrany via sending rape and murder fantasies to teachers who don't even have any choice in the matter. Please consider that side of the debate when you consider where to plant your backside.

No, I was framing it as a chilling effect on normal political debate in a democratic republic by an executive abusing its authority to protect its ideological allies in local politics.

What the school board was complaining about were not violent threats, though there were some.

It is of a piece with the entire Democratic Party's attitude, such as Terry MvAuliffe saying that parents have no place in deciding what their children are taught. The Democrats go on lot about how much they love Democracy, but they hate it when the demos will not submit to what their technocrats want.