Biden Sics FBI On Dissenting Parents

[Mickey_Rat15]

https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merric ... errorists/

"On Monday, Garland sent a memo to the federal law enforcement agency directing it to coordinate with the nation's 14,000 school districts. This action comes after the Biden administration received a plea from the National School Boards Association (NSBA) to protect schools from the "imminent threat" of parents sending "threatening letters and cyberbullying" school officials. The association considers such activities to be akin to "domestic terrorism."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes," wrote the NSBA.

Has some great number of teachers, principals, and district leaders come under violent attack? Of course not. What both the Justice Department and the concerned school boards are really talking about it is the increased number of recent community meetings that have featured angry feedback from parents. These parents are sick of COVID-19 mitigation efforts that have relegated actual students to afterthought status within the education department: the farce of virtual learning, mandatory closure when asymptomatic cases are detected, ceaseless masking. Young people who have the least to fear from the pandemic—the severe disease and death rate for the under-18 crowd is extremely low—have been forced to make tremendous educational and social sacrifices to bend the curve of COVID-19. Families are fed up with a public education system that puts the needs of students last, and they are speaking up about it."

The parents groups respond to the NSBA crying to the Biden administration here:

https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ ... OLLiLHhPWE

"NSBA cites a tiny number of minor incidents in order to insinuate that parents who are criticizing and
protesting the decisions of school boards are engaging in, or may be engaging in, “domestic terrorism
and hate crimes.” NSBA even invokes the PATRIOT Act. The association of legitimate protest with
terrorism and violence reveals both your contempt for parents and your unwillingness to understand
and hear the sincere cries of parents on behalf of their children. To equate parents with terrorists
dishonors the thousands of victims of actual terrorism around the world. Have you no shame?

Your letter to President Biden is a thinly veiled threat, intended to intimidate into silence and
submission the very constituents that your members ostensibly represent."


This action by Bidn's Justice Department is an attack on our values as a representative republic by an insulated, intellectually incestuous technocratic elite who cannot abide dissent.

It's a start for better care of our teachers by the fed. Next the Biden admin needs to raise teacher wages.

The federal government has no authority of teacher's wages. That is a state and local matter. Even if it was, that is a matter for Congress, not the executive. You are implicitly asking for a dictatorship.

All teachers are motherland for our foundation. We shall entitle them the prospects to which they afford society. Nobody will argue with this.

Teachers have an important role in society, but that does not mean they are a priestly caste who deserve a blank check for their services rendered.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merric ... errorists/

"On Monday, Garland sent a memo to the federal law enforcement agency directing it to coordinate with the nation's 14,000 school districts. This action comes after the Biden administration received a plea from the National School Boards Association (NSBA) to protect schools from the "imminent threat" of parents sending "threatening letters and cyberbullying" school officials. The association considers such activities to be akin to "domestic terrorism."

"As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes," wrote the NSBA.

Has some great number of teachers, principals, and district leaders come under violent attack? Of course not. What both the Justice Department and the concerned school boards are really talking about it is the increased number of recent community meetings that have featured angry feedback from parents. These parents are sick of COVID-19 mitigation efforts that have relegated actual students to afterthought status within the education department: the farce of virtual learning, mandatory closure when asymptomatic cases are detected, ceaseless masking. Young people who have the least to fear from the pandemic—the severe disease and death rate for the under-18 crowd is extremely low—have been forced to make tremendous educational and social sacrifices to bend the curve of COVID-19. Families are fed up with a public education system that puts the needs of students last, and they are speaking up about it."

The parents groups respond to the NSBA crying to the Biden administration here:

https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ ... OLLiLHhPWE

"NSBA cites a tiny number of minor incidents in order to insinuate that parents who are criticizing and
protesting the decisions of school boards are engaging in, or may be engaging in, “domestic terrorism
and hate crimes.” NSBA even invokes the PATRIOT Act. The association of legitimate protest with
terrorism and violence reveals both your contempt for parents and your unwillingness to understand
and hear the sincere cries of parents on behalf of their children. To equate parents with terrorists
dishonors the thousands of victims of actual terrorism around the world. Have you no shame?

Your letter to President Biden is a thinly veiled threat, intended to intimidate into silence and
submission the very constituents that your members ostensibly represent."


This action by Bidn's Justice Department is an attack on our values as a representative republic by an insulated, intellectually incestuous technocratic elite who cannot abide dissent.

It's a start for better care of our teachers by the fed. Next the Biden admin needs to raise teacher wages.

The federal government has no authority of teacher's wages. That is a state and local matter. Even if it was, that is a matter for Congress, not the executive. You are implicitly asking for a dictatorship.

All teachers are motherland for our foundation. We shall entitle them the prospects to which they afford society. Nobody will argue with this.

Teachers have an important role in society, but that does not mean they are a priestly caste who deserve a blank check for their services rendered.

Very enticing. That sounds like something for the courts to decide. Along with our utmost revered states guard police who can secure such proceedings with the utmost discretion.

[Thebestoftherest]

Yes but I think they could be pay more.

[Nealithi]

Yes but I think they could be pay more.

Teacher pay is a part of the problem. I have mentioned in other places that the amount of education demanded to even begin teaching. Plus state to state teacher certification are reasonably high bars to entry. Then a teacher will see someone with lower marks in college making two to three times what they do as educators. It vastly shrinks the pool of people willing to do the work.

The hurdle is, I believe, that there is some false reporting going on to make it seem like teachers rake in money and only work half a year etc. Partly because the 'average' may be a teacher in California makes more than one in Kansas. And I have seen some versions of the 'teacher' pay rolled in with administrators that actually have nothing to do with teaching.

And another hurdle is some school districts have hurt their public image. My constant reminder is the local school needed roof work done. They were asking for two million dollars in addition to their yearly budget. What hurt them was they only needed twenty thousand dollars and already had it. But were trying to see what else they could get. And no the money did not go to things for students. Some of the lab equipment was still from the 1960's. The books very much out of date and so on. They spent money on things like they bought a house for the superintendent's mother.. When all this mess came to light the combined school lost the junior high and is now purely a grade school. But the public trust is shot.
I bring this up because it can't be the only school pulling this crap. I have heard of other schools with fiscal horror stories where they are robbed blind by either teachers or hired groups.
One okay not sure the description. Tech school is close but it was a highschool tech school, not an adult one. They had a service to work the school cafeteria. Charged the school to make and serve food. There was also a culinary section of the school. The cafeteria group had the culinary students make all the lunches with minimal supervision or just teacher supervision. The food was paid for from the culinary budget. Maintenance was handled by the school janitors. What was this service that was being paid to be there actually Do? Apparently they collected a check and demanded more money the next semester. . .

Sorry, every time I look at the school system it seems a mess from the top down. And if it wasn't a national system I would say tear the whole broken thing down and rebuild it from the ground up.

[CharlesPhipps]

Teachers have an important role in society, but that does not mean they are a priestly caste who deserve a blank check for their services rendered.

I think the check being shit is a large part of the problem.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Pardon me while I sit on the fence a moment. But where is the line?
Where is the separation of angry parent against an uncaring school system and a genuine terroristic threat?

Well that's why you have an investigation. By federal law, using interstate communication (i.e. the Internet) to issue death threats is a crime. An example I read about from seven years ago had it happen over and over again and they were pretty detailed, not just "Die Bitch!" or anything like that. How many people who are just mad say things like "If I only knew then what I know now . . . I would have smothered your ass with a pillow. Dumped your body in the back seat. Dropped you off in Toad Creek and made it look like a rape and murder."

I hope so. I see too many efforts put together with little oversight or forethought and they do bad things to decent people.
And the internet point makes me wince. Little johnny getting on mom or dad's email to tell off Mrs. Crabowitz. And now there are FBI agents at the door.

Our fences are pretty crowded, yet somehow the seat only seems to get occupied from butts going one direction.
FBI agents at the door are not specific to the "parents sending death threats because they think masks are tyrrany and somehow blame the teachers for mask mandates" crowd. Ever heard of Swatting?

OP is framing this as a bad-faith attempt by Biden to punish freedom fighters resisting tyrrany via sending rape and murder fantasies to teachers who don't even have any choice in the matter. Please consider that side of the debate when you consider where to plant your backside.

Oh I do consider it. I considered swatting. And I considered that when I was in school they made a new asset seizure rule that if any amount of drugs was found on your property the police could take your property with little to no chance of getting it back. When I mentioned this was rife for abuse. I was shouted down by teachers and students alike that this was to target drug dealers. Why was I on their side. The government and police would never abuse that power.
I wonder how many of those that told me I was utterly wrong look back and realize I was being kind with how little it would be abused.
All new rules must be weighed carefully.
If this is simply sending the FBI to do their job and weed out the genuine threats? I am fine with it, investigate away. Make it a new rule? Weigh that thing and look for absolutely every way it can be abused or it will, not may, bite you in the rear.

I'm 100% with you on civil asset forfeiture.
But this...is not a new rule. It's an existing rule being enforced. The ways it is being abused are ways that have been a problem for a long while, because it's not new. The only thing new about is OP's whining, because this time it's somebody on their side, so Biden is somehow at fault.

[Nealithi]

I'm 100% with you on civil asset forfeiture.
But this...is not a new rule. It's an existing rule being enforced. The ways it is being abused are ways that have been a problem for a long while, because it's not new. The only thing new about is OP's whining, because this time it's somebody on their side, so Biden is somehow at fault.

If it is not a new rule or policy I am fine with it. As far as whining is concerned. Yeah it happens way too often with little to no homework. Oh look President Obama has a marine holding an umbrella for him. How scandalous and abusive of power! Yeah check history all his predecessors and successors do that.
Oh yeah what is Jimmy gonna do at a nuclear plant? He's just a peanut farmer. Well let's see President Carter was a nuclear engineer so actually knew what was going on?

Spin with a bit of whine is all too common in politics.

[McAvoy]

Yes but I think they could be pay more.

Teacher pay is a part of the problem. I have mentioned in other places that the amount of education demanded to even begin teaching. Plus state to state teacher certification are reasonably high bars to entry. Then a teacher will see someone with lower marks in college making two to three times what they do as educators. It vastly shrinks the pool of people willing to do the work.

The hurdle is, I believe, that there is some false reporting going on to make it seem like teachers rake in money and only work half a year etc. Partly because the 'average' may be a teacher in California makes more than one in Kansas. And I have seen some versions of the 'teacher' pay rolled in with administrators that actually have nothing to do with teaching.

And another hurdle is some school districts have hurt their public image. My constant reminder is the local school needed roof work done. They were asking for two million dollars in addition to their yearly budget. What hurt them was they only needed twenty thousand dollars and already had it. But were trying to see what else they could get. And no the money did not go to things for students. Some of the lab equipment was still from the 1960's. The books very much out of date and so on. They spent money on things like they bought a house for the superintendent's mother.. When all this mess came to light the combined school lost the junior high and is now purely a grade school. But the public trust is shot.
I bring this up because it can't be the only school pulling this crap. I have heard of other schools with fiscal horror stories where they are robbed blind by either teachers or hired groups.
One okay not sure the description. Tech school is close but it was a highschool tech school, not an adult one. They had a service to work the school cafeteria. Charged the school to make and serve food. There was also a culinary section of the school. The cafeteria group had the culinary students make all the lunches with minimal supervision or just teacher supervision. The food was paid for from the culinary budget. Maintenance was handled by the school janitors. What was this service that was being paid to be there actually Do? Apparently they collected a check and demanded more money the next semester. . .

Sorry, every time I look at the school system it seems a mess from the top down. And if it wasn't a national system I would say tear the whole broken thing down and rebuild it from the ground up.

What you are talking about is corruption. That will happen no matter what. You should not apply that throughout the whole country though.

My own old high school as far as I know never suffered from corruption like that. Sure, there were a few teacher-student relationships that got the teachers fired. But outside that, it was always an issue that the high school despite multiple expansions on it, is still packed and now they are at the very limit of student/teacher ratio. Hell a couple of years ago they actually expanded the senior parking lot due to there being not enough. And thats small stuff.

For many schools it's not a matter being underfunded, it is a matter of space. And lack of land to create extensions or a new school for an ever increasing population.

That is a big thing too. Not just teachers.

[Nealithi]

What you are talking about is corruption. That will happen no matter what. You should not apply that throughout the whole country though.

My own old high school as far as I know never suffered from corruption like that. Sure, there were a few teacher-student relationships that got the teachers fired. But outside that, it was always an issue that the high school despite multiple expansions on it, is still packed and now they are at the very limit of student/teacher ratio. Hell a couple of years ago they actually expanded the senior parking lot due to there being not enough. And thats small stuff.

For many schools it's not a matter being underfunded, it is a matter of space. And lack of land to create extensions or a new school for an ever increasing population.

That is a big thing too. Not just teachers.

The thing is before the internet got wide spread. I would tell people of the things that happened in my school. And I was called a liar, things like that never happen in schools. The administrators/police/school board would not allow it.
What the internet did was give me evidence to show it wasn't just my school. I can find at least one like this in every state. And those are the ones that hit the media. How many more are unreported because "It couldn't happen"? Or parents cave to school demands?
To be honest my High School was little better. I was mostly ignored, there wasn't much they could do to me. Then I went delayed enlistment. If even a whiff of a problem came up in school I lost my enlistment. So I was told to take anything anyone did to me. If I retaliated or tried to fight them over the BS, then I lost my enlistment. Even if I won in court, I lost to them. They would take something away from me. So I spent my senior year with students ramming me into lockers while teachers watched and did nothing. I had lit matches flicked at me. And I had a teacher punch me in the head and threaten to kill me. Oh and that last one? We were having mock congress and I was shooting down every argument the opposing side brought up. You know the party he personally favoured.

Same school years after I left had three boys that were found rummaging in dumpsters for food. They were so small and skinny they were assumed to be ten to twelve. Not fifteen to seventeen. The family had them as foster kids and swore they had eating disorders. So the school ignored how bad these guys were undernourished and how bad their teeth were. When the boys were taken away from those people, their health and weight drastically improved across the board. School just shrugged and gave the usual. "We had no idea" speech.

And I find these every where.

But I also find teachers that struggle within systems that don't want thought or education. Just pass the little slime balls and do X to bring in more money. To teachers that go the extra mile after the extra mile to help. Just like if you look you will find an example of a police officer improving a neighborhood just by being a human being and caring. But damn are they shown to be the exception to the rule.

That is why I would hesitate to tear down and dismantle education in this country to rebuild it. Because there are good people working to make a difference. And in many cases succeeding.

[KitWargSpectacle]

It is of a piece with the entire Democratic Party's attitude, such as Terry MvAuliffe saying that parents have no place in deciding what their children are taught. The Democrats go on lot about how much they love Democracy, but they hate it when the demos will not submit to what their technocrats want.

Well we all think this way, at the end of the day.

As for this school thing, idk isn't that why there's the "homeschooling" option, or options to move thd kid around different schools? Thereby eliminating the need for parents to influence what a particulaf school teaches? (And even then it shouldn't just teach whatever the parents wang them to, should it? Although I'm generally skeptical about the whole school obligation thing to begin with, so I don't have any fixed opinion on this for now.)


Those (few, apparently?) parents who did voice violent threats (unless responding to violent actions by the staff, of course) aren't being wronged with these accusatioms; the others sure are though.