Does humanity deserve to live?

[McAvoy]

Sigh. Madner is totally correct that we have philosophy to give foundation to this kind of stuff, but in no way does any credible philosophy have bearing to prove that mythological worlds exist.

What we have that emerges out of more social doctrines and less innate physical doctrines is cultural studies by means of sociology and anthropology that come to mind for broad based study, along with more specific social studies in the form of legal, academic, journalistic, or psychological pursuits that can all put respective patterns to society that altogether can easily explain spiritual phenomena.

Also physical causes. Ergot, infrasound, mushrooms, the effects of fasting and sleep deprivation...

Its amazing to me that we live in a world where everyone carries a HD camera in their pocket and all the proof we have for ghosts and monsters and other such nonsense is always grainy shit shot at a distance. And when it isn't, its always something really unimpressive that even an amateur could knock up to impress the masses.
''Ooh! Its a ghost!! Look at this... can fall off a shelf. WHEEEE!!'' One million Likes on Youtube.

Its all unscientific nonsense peddled by charlatans and the easily fooled, and like you said, those who are under some affliction.

Isnt there some million dollar prize out there for proof of supernatural stuff? And it's been there for about 100 years?

[hammerofglass]

Sigh. Madner is totally correct that we have philosophy to give foundation to this kind of stuff, but in no way does any credible philosophy have bearing to prove that mythological worlds exist.

What we have that emerges out of more social doctrines and less innate physical doctrines is cultural studies by means of sociology and anthropology that come to mind for broad based study, along with more specific social studies in the form of legal, academic, journalistic, or psychological pursuits that can all put respective patterns to society that altogether can easily explain spiritual phenomena.

Also physical causes. Ergot, infrasound, mushrooms, the effects of fasting and sleep deprivation...

Its amazing to me that we live in a world where everyone carries a HD camera in their pocket and all the proof we have for ghosts and monsters and other such nonsense is always grainy shit shot at a distance. And when it isn't, its always something really unimpressive that even an amateur could knock up to impress the masses.
''Ooh! Its a ghost!! Look at this... can fall off a shelf. WHEEEE!!'' One million Likes on Youtube.

Its all unscientific nonsense peddled by charlatans and the easily fooled, and like you said, those who are under some affliction.

Isnt there some million dollar prize out there for proof of supernatural stuff? And it's been there for about 100 years?

The James Randi Educational Foundation Million Dollar Challenge. It ran for 50 years, they stopped it in 2015 when nobody was seriously trying to claim it anymore.

[Frustration]

That science is called philosophy.

What's valuable in philosophy is found better elsewhere, what remains is useless.

[hammerofglass]

That science is called philosophy.

What's valuable in philosophy is found better elsewhere, what remains is useless.

So you want to actually argue that point, without using philosophy in any way of course, or should we just consider it a statement of faith?

[Riedquat]

That science is called philosophy.

What's valuable in philosophy is found better elsewhere, what remains is useless.

I haven't read the rest of the thread so may be missing the point, but you reject the whole idea of philosophy?

[Yukaphile]

It's arrogant to dismiss philosophy when science has just BARELY, as a tiny baby step, started to explore the vast possibilities of the non-physical world in quantum mechanics.

[hammerofglass]

Quantum mechanics is literally a branch of physics.

[Riedquat]

It's arrogant to dismiss philosophy when science has just BARELY, as a tiny baby step, started to explore the vast possibilities of the non-physical world in quantum mechanics.

Apart from as has been pointed out quantum mechanics IS part of the physical world, just what do you mean by that? What is this non-physical world you're talking about? There's how we feel about the world, how we related to it, which is arguably non-physical and the realm of philosophy

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

When he says non physical world I think he means world outside our physical understanding and not our non-physical (aka subjective) understanding of the world. I believe his notion is to subvert what we know about physical space to expand the consideration of other dimensional or otherwise worlds.

[Yukaphile]

The weightless, massless world. I mean, Jesus Christ, we're barely SIX THOUSAND YEARS into our existence, a young species with much to learn, relying on outdated observations that take EONS to reach us due to light delay. You don't think everything we know about the universe may be completely wrong?