Four children arrested for not stopping a fight

[Draco Dracul]

Shit like this is why I've become a police abolitionist because you can't reform this shit.

Police abolitionist? As in, you think that we should have no police at all or have you just picked a word that you don't really know the meaning of?
In either case, perhaps you should look up what the world looked like before the police were invented. Does Mad Max mean anything to you?

I am pretty sure we made police after we figure out how to make loincloths.

In the US modern police only really came about after the civil war, coincidentally after there were a lot of slave catchers out of work and a loop hole in the 13th Amendment that allowed criminals to be enslaved.

[CharlesPhipps]

Depends on how you define police. But yes, Seattle tried police abolishment in an area to show people could get along and the local criminals started dumping bodies if not outright murdering people there.

[Riedquat]

Shit like this is why I've become a police abolitionist because you can't reform this shit.

Police abolitionist? As in, you think that we should have no police at all or have you just picked a word that you don't really know the meaning of?
In either case, perhaps you should look up what the world looked like before the police were invented. Does Mad Max mean anything to you?

I am pretty sure we made police after we figure out how to make loincloths.

When loincloths were the height of fashion what would society look like? Small self-sufficient groups, probably in control of a leader who could do whatever he felt like to the rest of the group, and being quite happy to beat up or kill any other group encountered and nick anything they had. Without any reliance on any large-scale systems it worked well enough to not wipe out the human race, but would only support a small population and would you want to live like that?

[Nealithi]

Ignoring the loincloth question. I do have a little edutainment that might be useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvMQY_y4qx8

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, to shun police is, however much they need reform and however cruel and inhuman the system is, quintessentially the spirit of AnPrim arguments. Not that I'd defend shit that's obviously past the pale, like that one cop making a homeless man eat a shit sandwich. Lock him up forever. But I'm not going to give in to blind emotion with a knee-jerk reaction that makes the problem WORSE. Without police, you don't have any of the benefits of modern human society. It's a not well thought out argument as flawed as claiming, ditch technology, it's made the planet worse. Full stop. Especially since Americans are too fat and contented and prosperous to take care of our own communities, and without police, you think we could stop everyday crime? LOL. What a joke. I hope your sister really likes sandwiches, because she'll be one between a couple leering, lecherous predators that roam the streets in a world without cops. The only reason to shun police is probably because like the hard right nuts, you want to burn down society and replace it with, theoretically, a newer, better model. But really, you could just wind up destroying it all and have nothing to replace it with. You're SOL and JWF.

[Yukaphile]

Call me whatever you want, I'll vote red before I support police abolition. THAT is how fuckin' far you risk pushing me. WE ARE NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH, not RESPONSIBLE enough, as a species AND as people, to have a world without police. I NEVER want to pick up a gun and have to SHOOT someone. Millions died so that would be a burden I'd never have to suffer. And we take it for granted in this day and age. That's a burden I'd HAVE to learn to carry in a world without cops. That's the world you're shoving on me. And don't tell me someone else in the local community could pick up my slack. Relying on someone else to kill in my name is cowardice, but... isn't that just a more rugged individualism type, frontier vigilante justice inspired police management? Like primitive caveman days. AnPrim law enforcement, as I said. Really, I won't defend asshole cops. I said that. Abusing a homeless man, that really is indefensible. But you lefties need to GROW THE FUCK UP. You're behaving in the most juvenile, immature way possible, and that should mean a LOT coming from someone like me, with my history. Your mindset would get us all killed.

[ProfessorDetective]

Can we at least agree that the ten officer department in Sparta, Mississippi or wherever doesn't need to be kitted out for a ATF raid while on routine patrol?

[Draco Dracul]

Especially since Americans are too fat and contented and prosperous to take care of our own communities, and without police, you think we could stop everyday crime?

The thing is that for the most part police don't actually stop crime. If you need police to save your life you're probably going to die.

LOL. What a joke. I hope your sister really likes sandwiches, because she'll be one between a couple leering, lecherous predators that roam the streets in a world without cops.

Stranger rape is extremely rare and pretty much always has been.

The only reason to shun police is probably because like the hard right nuts, you want to burn down society and replace it with, theoretically, a newer, better model. But really, you could just wind up destroying it all and have nothing to replace it with. You're SOL and JWF.

The police attracts hard right nuts because they are meant to inforce the will of the powerful, and keep the weak divided and afraid.

I'll be honest I don't blame you for believing what you do about police because our society has pushed police propaganda for decades to make people think it makes more sense to buy tanks for neo nazis to terrorize black communities rather than give money to people that are on the brink of hunger and homelessness.

[Yukaphile]

Police are poorly trained, I'll admit that. I hear even vets admit the military has better training. And I want more instances of holding the bad apples accountable. But that they stop zero crime? Color me as very skeptical. Especially since both right and left just live in their own parallel realities now, and my own past interactions with cops shows a different story.

Btw, something interesting I heard, you lefties claim to stand for black communities? And yet black communities OVERWHELMINGLY don't want police disbanded. Why else would Trump outperform among minorities but for no reason other than that? Maybe you don't represent black people as well as you think you do.

[Riedquat]

The thing is that for the most part police don't actually stop crime. If you need police to save your life you're probably going to die.

In a society with a general respect for law and some level of enforcement against those who stray too far from it the existence of the police saves you from significantly reducing the probability of ending up in that situation.