Does humanity deserve to live?

[hammerofglass]

Where are you getting that 6000 years number? Because if you're talking the species physically existing it's more like 300,000, but if you mean doing serious systematic science it's barely 500 (and science at all would probably be Pythagoras at 2500). Invention of writing is 5000 and change and farming is 12000, so those don't fit either.

Also the weightless massless world is called 'energy' and that's still physics.

[Yukaphile]

When we first began recording history.

[TGLS]

You don't think everything we know about the universe may be completely wrong?

It's possible, but not likely. For about two hundred years, people thought that Newton's theory of gravity was a more or less complete description of gravitation (apart from an error with Mercury). Then about a hundred years ago, Einstein came up with a new theory of gravity called general relativity. This was only accepted once a full solar eclipse happened and we observed the star field under the influence of the gravity of the sun. And so, Newton was proven wrong and Einstein was proven right, the same way Aristotle was proven wrong and Newton was proven right. However, to believe that Aristotle and Newton are both equally wrong is wronger than wrong.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Plus Aristotle - Plato > Einstein - Aristotle, if you account for the foundational coefficient effect that Aristotle had on objectivity.

[hammerofglass]

And even Plato was making big improvements on the foundations of both science and philosophy that Pythagoras laid down a century before.

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, I think a few basic discoveries will remain for all time. Everything else is open to interpretation due to the alternate viewpoints humans possess, how young and puerile as a race we are.

[McAvoy]

Yeah, I think a few basic discoveries will remain for all time. Everything else is open to interpretation due to the alternate viewpoints humans possess, how young and puerile as a race we are.

If somehow you were to revert all humans including their buildings, equipment etc back to the Stone Age and start over. It's going to be more than a 'few basic discoveries' that will remain the same.

Math will be the same, which everything up to 2021 heavily relies on. That is huge and not basic. Engineering, space flight, electronics, anything mechanical, physics, fluid dynamics etc.

I can go into the major scientific theories but I won't. Mind you not your basic everyday theory like you got a theory that a mouse is living somewhere in your house stealing your dog's food. But scientific theory. Two different things.

Those will remain the same.

What won't remain the same is philosophy. Supernatural ideas, afterlife, gods and goddesses, mythology. Racism, sexism would be potentially different. Could be there but won't be the same like how Earth 1.0 had it.

[Yukaphile]

Close-minded ignorance will always remain with us, even from those claiming to be "enlightened."

[clearspira]

Yeah, I think a few basic discoveries will remain for all time. Everything else is open to interpretation due to the alternate viewpoints humans possess, how young and puerile as a race we are.

If somehow you were to revert all humans including their buildings, equipment etc back to the Stone Age and start over. It's going to be more than a 'few basic discoveries' that will remain the same.

Math will be the same, which everything up to 2021 heavily relies on. That is huge and not basic. Engineering, space flight, electronics, anything mechanical, physics, fluid dynamics etc.

I can go into the major scientific theories but I won't. Mind you not your basic everyday theory like you got a theory that a mouse is living somewhere in your house stealing your dog's food. But scientific theory. Two different things.

Those will remain the same.

What won't remain the same is philosophy. Supernatural ideas, afterlife, gods and goddesses, mythology. Racism, sexism would be potentially different. Could be there but won't be the same like how Earth 1.0 had it.

Yep. Nailed it. This is absolutely why subjects like philosophy are a crock.

If civilisation ended right now, and every holy book, every old relic, every book of ghost stories burned in the nuclear fires or whatever, then there would be no Christianity, Islam or ghosts because everything about it will be forgotten never to come back. What we would absolutely have is new religions with different supremely holy books and different stories and different all powerful gods to worship. Because ultimately those are all just stories. Its the same with art and language too.

But science? Science is based on facts. Water will still boil at a hundred degrees and freeze at zero. The sun will still orbit the Earth. The laws of thermodynamics will remain. The principles chemistry and physics will be exactly the same. And slowly, over thousands of years, we will regain that knowledge. Only now we will worship the god ''Blorpex the Mighty'' and we'll be sitting here arguing over whether he made the Earth in six days from sand or seven days from mud.

And to those of you who doubt this, that first scenario has already happened at least once before. Look up the Greek Dark Ages of 1100 BC for a fascinating read. We don't know exactly why (it is assumed to be a volcano) but local civilisation around this time was brought so close to absolute destruction that there are literally whole languages that ended during this time.

[hammerofglass]

Yeah, I think a few basic discoveries will remain for all time. Everything else is open to interpretation due to the alternate viewpoints humans possess, how young and puerile as a race we are.

If somehow you were to revert all humans including their buildings, equipment etc back to the Stone Age and start over. It's going to be more than a 'few basic discoveries' that will remain the same.

Math will be the same, which everything up to 2021 heavily relies on. That is huge and not basic. Engineering, space flight, electronics, anything mechanical, physics, fluid dynamics etc.

I can go into the major scientific theories but I won't. Mind you not your basic everyday theory like you got a theory that a mouse is living somewhere in your house stealing your dog's food. But scientific theory. Two different things.

Those will remain the same.

What won't remain the same is philosophy. Supernatural ideas, afterlife, gods and goddesses, mythology. Racism, sexism would be potentially different. Could be there but won't be the same like how Earth 1.0 had it.

Yep. Nailed it. This is absolutely why subjects like philosophy are a crock.

If civilisation ended right now, and every holy book, every old relic, every book of ghost stories burned in the nuclear fires or whatever, then there would be no Christianity, Islam or ghosts because everything about it will be forgotten never to come back. What we would absolutely have is new religions with different supremely holy books and different stories and different all powerful gods to worship. Because ultimately those are all just stories. Its the same with art and language too.

But science? Science is based on facts. Water will still boil at a hundred degrees and freeze at zero. The sun will still orbit the Earth. The laws of thermodynamics will remain. The principles chemistry and physics will be exactly the same. And slowly, over thousands of years, we will regain that knowledge. Only now we will worship the god ''Blorpex the Mighty'' and we'll be sitting here arguing over whether he made the Earth in six days from sand or seven days from mud.

And to those of you who doubt this, that first scenario has already happened at least once before. Look up the Greek Dark Ages of 1100 BC for a fascinating read. We don't know exactly why (it is assumed to be a volcano) but local civilisation around this time was brought so close to absolute destruction that there are literally whole languages that ended during this time.

Those are all uncontroversial mainstream positions in philosophy and the social sciences, so I'm honestly not sure what argument you're making.