That doesn't follow rationally. It does not mean the truth will come out at random, it means the truth CAN come out at random and that's a completely different statement.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:18 amNo, it does not. It means when the truth comes out will be random, though with the probability likely skewed towards a moment of high passion which is far more likely to end in violence.Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:43 amThat's what fuzzy's describing. Not having the onus on them to disclose inherently gives them more control while being required to do so gives them less.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:49 pmThis is an attitude I do not not understand. If a transperson should fear violence from a romantic interest if they find out the transperson's nature. It seems to me, as a matter of pragmatism, it is in the transperson's self-interest to control the circumstances of when and where that happens.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:43 pmIt is not generally understood. If you're dating somebody and you think they might be trans, it's on YOU to ask, not on THEM to disclose. If that seems awkward or embarrassing for you, just imagine how it feels for them.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:24 pm Fuzzy isn't it generally understood that being a transgendered person is something commonly might need a bit of transparency when opting for conventional warp speed relationships, particularly when you're looking for a cis partner?
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Trans activists considering reality to be bullshit is not a point in favor of the trans activists.CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:27 amThat's pretty much what trans people consider to be bullshit. Which is the source of why trans activists exist to change this attitude.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:34 pmExcept that trans people are not of the sex their gender identity matches to. Even if an accurate description of a person causes them "immeasurable harm" then that does not create an obligation on everyone else to deny the truth to spare their egos.CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:03 pmYes and not all trans people are gay nor do all gay people support trans rights. Trans men and women seek recognition as the sex their brain functions as. My general take on the subject is, "Treat them as the sex they identify as. Because it will cause immense suffering to them otherwise."Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:26 am Except, apparently, there are a lot of gay people who disagree with that assertion and think their sexual orientation is based on the sex of their potential parrtner, not the gender identity.
Your statement is, at best, controversial.
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Appeals to reality that ignore medical science saying their brains work differently (i.e. they are the sexes they claim to be) are, in simple terms, dumb. I note that it always seems to be "reality" only when it agrees with the premise and ignoring of evidence when it doesn't.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:50 am
Trans activists considering reality to be bullshit is not a point in favor of the trans activists.
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Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
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CharlesPhipps and Mickey are you aware of the difference between sex and gender? CharlesPhipps seems to be conflating them regularly and Mickey seems to argue in spite of the difference.
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"Sex" refers to the physiological and genetic differences between males and females. Whatever one thinks of what their gender identity is, that does not alter their sex. That is the reality, the science, that I am referring to.CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:14 pmAppeals to reality that ignore medical science saying their brains work differently (i.e. they are the sexes they claim to be) are, in simple terms, dumb. I note that it always seems to be "reality" only when it agrees with the premise and ignoring of evidence when it doesn't.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:50 am
Trans activists considering reality to be bullshit is not a point in favor of the trans activists.
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If "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
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I believe I am maintaining a difference between sex and gender, in contrast to Mr. Phipps, who is asserting that gender is sex.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:28 pm CharlesPhipps and Mickey are you aware of the difference between sex and gender? CharlesPhipps seems to be conflating them regularly and Mickey seems to argue in spite of the difference.
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How do you define sex?Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:08 pmIf "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
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I mean, trans people are aware of physical sex differences in much the same way as a diabetic is aware of blood sugar. Nobody's really denying they exist.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:08 pmIf "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
Now saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
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