DIS - New Eden

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Fianna wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:09 pm
Link8909 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:53 pm I can think of two times of the top of my head when General Order 1 was shown to be good, "Who Watches the Watchers" and Into Darkness.
There's also that time where violating the Prime Directive created a Planet of Gangsters. And then another time when it created a Planet of Nazis.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:17 pm I mean, if you were Hindu and rescued by the Angel, you'd probably not convert as you were among those raptured.
'Red Angel' is just a name, given by those who found a concept in their culture that provided a rough match for what they experienced. Hinduism doesn't have 'angels' as such, but a Hindu would probably think of the name of some being from their religious tradition and apply it to the anomalous entity - possibly 'deva'.

Heck, there are Hindus who worship Jesus Christ as an avatar of Vishnu. I don't think an inexplicable red entity that saves people is going to be any kind of insurmountable puzzle to people from a non-Abrahamic background.
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It's called an angel because it has wings. You probably don't worship the Greek pantheon, but if a 12ft tall man in a toga with a laurel wreath saved you from certain death you might factor that into a theological explanation of the experience.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:22 am It's called an angel because it has wings.
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Don't read too much into a single feature of the entity; in Western iconography, devils are often represented as being red, but no one suggests the 'Red Angel' is demonic. I can easily imagine Hindus calling it the "Winged Deva".
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:22 am It's called an angel because it has wings. You probably don't worship the Greek pantheon, but if a 12ft tall man in a toga with a laurel wreath saved you from certain death you might factor that into a theological explanation of the experience.
May I introduce you to Zephyros, the personification of the western wind?

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His brothers looked very similar to him.

This is Ninurta, god of agriculture, hunting and war in ancient mesopotamia.

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Garuda, the flying mount of Vishnu is sometimes depicted this way:

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Isis and her sister Nepthys looked like this:

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Lammasu, an Assyrian godess originally looked like this:

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Though the later interpretations got a bit more chimeric in nature.

A Pari or Peri from the persian folkore:

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And if you allow for more bird-esque variants of "angels", there's a myriad more you can find in the more animistic-influenced regions of the world, particularly eastern and south-eastern asia, but also in the Americas...
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Whelp, you schooled me. I stand corrected.
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