Good Guy with a Gun

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Avila said identifying and pursuing Ostrem took around five hours, a lengthy period of time made more difficult by an unexpected hurdle: the number of Walmart shoppers who had pulled out their own guns in response to the shooting.

[Karha of Honor]

Avila said identifying and pursuing Ostrem took around five hours, a lengthy period of time made more difficult by an unexpected hurdle: the number of Walmart shoppers who had pulled out their own guns in response to the shooting.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GAgIBgOA3M[/youtube]

Could someone hack this clip for me so it works?

[Admiral X]

Avila said identifying and pursuing Ostrem took around five hours, a lengthy period of time made more difficult by an unexpected hurdle: the number of Walmart shoppers who had pulled out their own guns in response to the shooting.

youtu.be/3GAgIBgOA3M

Could someone hack this clip for me so it works?

[Admiral X]

I note that he continues to ignore the fact that the guy probably stopped shooting people and ran off because of the very fact this article is griping about. So while the police and/or this article is grousing about them being inconvenienced in identifying the guy so they could track him down, the fact is, lives were probably saved and this delay is the only negative aspect to it. Can anyone really argue that this inconvenience outweighs lives being saved through the shooting being stopped?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Is it a fact that the guy stopped shooting because other people had guns? Usually the narrative I'm told is that the good guy with a gun will shoot the bad guy with a gun. "Probably" sounds a lot less sure than facts.

It's not them being "inconvenienced" by it, its that a dangerous killer was on the loose for many more hours, during which he could stroll into another place and start shooting people again.

[Karha of Honor]

Is it a fact that the guy stopped shooting because other people had guns? Usually the narrative I'm told is that the good guy with a gun will shoot the bad guy with a gun. "Probably" sounds a lot less sure than facts.

It's not them being "inconvenienced" by it, its that a dangerous killer was on the loose for many more hours, during which he could stroll into another place and start shooting people again.

We can ad some variations...

[Admiral X]

Is it a fact that the guy stopped shooting because other people had guns? Usually the narrative I'm told is that the good guy with a gun will shoot the bad guy with a gun. "Probably" sounds a lot less sure than facts.

It's not them being "inconvenienced" by it, its that a dangerous killer was on the loose for many more hours, during which he could stroll into another place and start shooting people again.

Or, if everyone there had been unarmed, he could have just kept killing people right where he was at. Or do you think it was some kind of coincidence that he just decided to leave after other people started pulling out their guns?

[Wild_Kraken]

The whole "Good Guy with a Gun" thing is a really goofy defense for lax gun control, because even if you accept the premise, a Good Guy with a Gun can only ever be reactionary. That is, the Bad Guy with a Gun has to have already begun his criminal act before the Good Guy can stop it. So either way, Good Guy or no, people are going to die or be injured at the very least. It isn't a form of prevention, so it's not even a solution to the problem. It's a thought terminating cliche.

Now if only there were proactive solutions to gun violence, ones that had perhaps been tried in other countries and been shown to work. If only, but as we all know, every country has exactly the same amount of gun violence as the United States.

[Karha of Honor]

The whole "Good Guy with a Gun" thing is a really goofy defense for lax gun control, because even if you accept the premise, a Good Guy with a Gun can only ever be reactionary. That is, the Bad Guy with a Gun has to have already begun his criminal act before the Good Guy can stop it. So either way, Good Guy or no, people are going to die or be injured at the very least. It isn't a form of prevention, so it's not even a solution to the problem. It's a thought terminating cliche.

Now if only there were proactive solutions to gun violence, ones that had perhaps been tried in other countries and been shown to work. If only, but as we all know, every country has exactly the same amount of gun violence as the United States.

There can be a gazillion reasons for the variance of gun violence, not all of them condemning the US.

[Madner Kami]

Name some, please.