British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

This is for topical issues effecting our fair world... you can quit snickering anytime. Note: It is the desire of the leadership of SFDebris Conglomerate that all posters maintain a civil and polite bearing in this forum, regardless of how you feel about any particular issue. Violators will be turned over to Captain Janeway for experimentation.
User avatar
BridgeConsoleMasher
Overlord
Posts: 11631
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:18 am

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by BridgeConsoleMasher »

clearspira wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:15 am Its going to be weird singing God Save The King after all of these years.
Honestly I've poked some fun at 2-term presidential limits, but this system seems just about as weird.
..What mirror universe?
User avatar
Frustration
Captain
Posts: 1607
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:16 pm

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by Frustration »

The American President isn't nearly as powerful as people seem to believe the position to be. But it still offers a surprising amount of power.

The position of King (or Queen) of Britain and its Dominions, yada yada etc. etc., doesn't seem to have lots of power. It technically has a few powers that haven't been exerted in... quite a long time... and given how power in the British political system is restrained more by tradition than laws or rules, it's questionable whether those powers "really" still exist.
"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two equals four. If that is granted, all else follows." -- George Orwell, 1984
Draco Dracul
Captain
Posts: 1211
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:32 am

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by Draco Dracul »

Frustration wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:32 pm The American President isn't nearly as powerful as people seem to believe the position to be. But it still offers a surprising amount of power.

The position of King (or Queen) of Britain and its Dominions, yada yada etc. etc., doesn't seem to have lots of power. It technically has a few powers that haven't been exerted in... quite a long time... and given how power in the British political system is restrained more by tradition than laws or rules, it's questionable whether those powers "really" still exist.
The Monarch of The United Kingdom actually has quite a bit of power on paper, of course most of those powers haven't been used in over a century. Of course there is no record of how many times those powers have been threatened to be used.
User avatar
clearspira
Overlord
Posts: 5657
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:51 pm

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by clearspira »

The Queen in theory allows the Prime Minister to form a government as he has to ask her permission after the election to do so. She also in theory could say no. She is one of the checks and balances to stopping a despot. As far as I am aware the Army technically pledges their allegiance to her and not the PM.

She also owns a weird array of different things beyond property: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/546 ... abeth-owns

For those of you who didn't click on the link, what she owns includes: every swan on the River Thames, every dolphin in Britain, 150,000 works of art and half of Britain's coastline including the seabed itself.
User avatar
TGLS
Captain
Posts: 2930
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:16 pm

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by TGLS »

Draco Dracul wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:35 am
Frustration wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:32 pm The American President isn't nearly as powerful as people seem to believe the position to be. But it still offers a surprising amount of power.

The position of King (or Queen) of Britain and its Dominions, yada yada etc. etc., doesn't seem to have lots of power. It technically has a few powers that haven't been exerted in... quite a long time... and given how power in the British political system is restrained more by tradition than laws or rules, it's questionable whether those powers "really" still exist.
The Monarch of The United Kingdom actually has quite a bit of power on paper, of course most of those powers haven't been used in over a century. Of course there is no record of how many times those powers have been threatened to be used.
I'm pretty sure that if there was anything like the 1975 Australian Constitutional Crisis or the King-Byng Affair it'd probably lead to the subordination of the sovereign to the Prime Minister.
Image
"I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking 'Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!'"
When I am writing in this font, I am writing in my moderator voice.
Spam-desu
User avatar
BridgeConsoleMasher
Overlord
Posts: 11631
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:18 am

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by BridgeConsoleMasher »

Frustration wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:32 pm The American President isn't nearly as powerful as people seem to believe the position to be. But it still offers a surprising amount of power.
Compared to the Senate majority leader and the SCOTUS, the president as a sole person or department head has the most weight to throw around in government's checks and balances for separation of power.

It's an utterly formulated process, but the directive power is unparalleled.
..What mirror universe?
Fuzzy Necromancer
Overlord
Posts: 6303
Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:57 am

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by Fuzzy Necromancer »

Frustration wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:32 pm The American President isn't nearly as powerful as people seem to believe the position to be. But it still offers a surprising amount of power.

The position of King (or Queen) of Britain and its Dominions, yada yada etc. etc., doesn't seem to have lots of power. It technically has a few powers that haven't been exerted in... quite a long time... and given how power in the British political system is restrained more by tradition than laws or rules, it's questionable whether those powers "really" still exist.
Wealth is power. Also I think Prince Dink just wants to stop being a prince and start being the head monarch. Don't underestimate how much status and prestige means to people, especially when they have little in the way of personality or self-worth outside of it, or how much those who already have much of both resent being second fiddle to anyone.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
User avatar
McAvoy
Captain
Posts: 3876
Joined: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:55 am
Location: East Windsor, NJ

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by McAvoy »

clearspira wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:16 am
Frustration wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:03 pm Why would Charles actually want to be King? There doesn't seem to be a lot of benefit to the actual monarch.
History. Prince Charles will be forgotten long before King Charles.
I am pretty sure this will not happen. Prince Charles would be a prince far longer than he would be King.

Think about it, people still talk about Diana. He is obviously linked to her and forever will be and that will always be brought up long after he is dead and his grandchildren are long gone too.

What would he do as King that would overshadow that? Unification of US, UK and Canada?
I got nothing to say here.
J!!
Captain
Posts: 869
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:52 pm

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by J!! »

clearspira wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:15 am
J!! wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:16 am Fun fact: as of today Barbados has cut ties with the British throne, and is now an independant republic.
No great loss. This is a country that - no joke - during the same ceremony that Christened their new government made Rihanna a national hero.
Making a corporate generi-pop singer a national hero is far less culturally embarrassing than maintaining a hereditary monarchy in the 21st century. At least Rihanna works for a living.
Fuzzy Necromancer
Overlord
Posts: 6303
Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:57 am

Re: British Queen "Enters a New Phase"

Post by Fuzzy Necromancer »

Ooh, gonna need some wumbly-pumbly or whatever you brits call Aloe Vera for that burn! xD
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
Post Reply