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Riedquat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:10 pm
And how many other developments has it "stifled" because they looked like they wouldn't pay off, because there probably wouldn't be any real use for them? How do you avoid wasting resources developing medicines that won't do many people much good? Sometimes you'll get it wrong - no system is perfect, no system has a crystal ball, but that's not a good argument against capitalism.
Saying "no system is perfect" can just as easily be used to defend absolute monarchy. As defenses of capitalism go it's a pretty sad one.
Ironic ain't it?
Personally, I've believe it's not a question of systems so much as people. As long as you have people who know what they need to do and are willing to do it then issues of 'capitalism or socialism' are mostly academic. A function socialism and a functioning capitalism, for practical purposes, would be indistinguishable from each other.
It’s extremely circumstantial that development for Covid vaccines was going to result in the saving of the entire planet in 2020. I’m just going to take a stab at it and guess that socialism versus capitalism has very little to do with it considering no socialist government came up with the Covid vaccine anyway.
By the time we figured out that Covid it was a problem, one of the worst presidents in US history was able to get the ball rolling to coordinate global efforts to start production of the vaccine within about six months which is entirely unprecedented. And this is largely under a global capitalist regimen.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:20 pm
It’s extremely circumstantial that development for Covid vaccines was going to result in the saving of the entire planet in 2020. I’m just going to take a stab at it and guess that socialism versus capitalism has very little to do with it considering no socialist government came up with the Covid vaccine anyway.
By the time we figured out that Covid it was a problem, one of the worst presidents in US history was able to get the ball rolling to coordinate global efforts to start production of the vaccine within about six months which is entirely unprecedented. And this is largely under a global capitalist regimen.
I mean there are only a handful of socialist countries in the world, all of them a fairly small, and have limited resources.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:20 pm
It’s extremely circumstantial that development for Covid vaccines was going to result in the saving of the entire planet in 2020. I’m just going to take a stab at it and guess that socialism versus capitalism has very little to do with it considering no socialist government came up with the Covid vaccine anyway.
By the time we figured out that Covid it was a problem, one of the worst presidents in US history was able to get the ball rolling to coordinate global efforts to start production of the vaccine within about six months which is entirely unprecedented. And this is largely under a global capitalist regimen.
I mean there are only a handful of socialist countries in the world, all of them a fairly small, and have limited resources.
Riedquat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:10 pm
And how many other developments has it "stifled" because they looked like they wouldn't pay off, because there probably wouldn't be any real use for them? How do you avoid wasting resources developing medicines that won't do many people much good? Sometimes you'll get it wrong - no system is perfect, no system has a crystal ball, but that's not a good argument against capitalism.
Saying "no system is perfect" can just as easily be used to defend absolute monarchy. As defenses of capitalism go it's a pretty sad one.
And unfortunately it's a necessary defence because far too many people appear to expect perfection and believe it's possible, trying to pretend that one flaw, one mistake invalidates the entire concept. I should have to spell it out that that's nonsense but, alas, it's necessary.
And not that it wasn't even a defence for it as pointing out that some examples of a failure aren't an argument against it, thus reinforcing the point about people over-simplifying things and failing to recognise nuances.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:32 am
Wtf are you talking about?
Honestly sometimes BCM is really clear and sometimes BCM is really obtuse. This is more like the latter.
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McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:32 am
Wtf are you talking about?
In uncovering the distinction between capitalism and industrialism through historical context as per its development in Europe from the 1800's, I used such findings to take a look at what was going on with such sides leading up to the Great War that would eventually involve powerful nation states from different ends of the globe.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:32 am
Wtf are you talking about?
In uncovering the distinction between capitalism and industrialism through historical context as per its development in Europe from the 1800's, I used such findings to take a look at what was going on with such sides leading up to the Great War that would eventually involve powerful nation states from different ends of the globe.
