Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

[McAvoy]

There is a certain feel about the movie I do enjoy. I have never been able to place it. It's just a feel I like.

The SFX wasn't that noticeable until I saw it and then could never not see it.

The storyline is OK. I think internal logic plays a factor in it. Going to the middle of the galaxy to meet God but end up with some unknown being that is never ever explained. And how it ends. Disruptors to the face and they transport out.

[HumanXeroxMachine]

I love Star Trek V. While it's not up there with the greats, I do find a certain appreciation for it. The Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic is great and fun to watch. Sybok is a nice foil for the heroes and rather charismatic. V probably has the best Goldsmith Trek score and my absolute favorite as well. It's not a TWOK or TVH but it doesn't need to be.

[clearspira]

I am suddenly reminded of the fact that this is also the film where an elderly Uhura does a strip and a triple-breasted cat lady. Interestingly enough, ''Three Boob Lady'' would also be mentioned in the Enteprise pilot as a ''Draylaxian'' (thank you Memory Alpha) and apparently Maywether has slept with one.
If I am being generous there is no biological reason why such a thing could not evolve. If I am being equally fair however this is also a universe with about 10,000 different species, all with two breasts, even among those grow nipples on their arms. So this was clearly less about realism and more about Shatner filming this with one hand.

Edit: Reading the MA article further, make-up for this throw-away character who is in it for about thirty seconds took six make-up artists eight hours to apply and the contact lenses could only be worn for twenty minutes lest they DAMAGE HER EYES. She was virtually blind whilst wearing them and they could not be removed normally, requiring a specially made suction cup to pry them lose.
Wow. Cheers Shatner. That wasn't worth it.

[Mabus]

Yeah, heard most movie contact lenses tend to hurt the eyes of many actors. But it's not the same for everybody. Is there a particular reason? Like different manufacturers? Different eye reaction?

[CharlesPhipps]

I feel like this movie could have been pretty damn good but has a documentary's worth of horrible misfires about it.

* William Shatner's plans to actually go to Eden and meet God but fight the Devil
* The fact that the movie special effects were done with a garage-based company that lied about its credentials and couldn't be fixed after the money was taken
* The nine or ten different rewrites.
* Roddenberry and Shatner hating each other's ideas.
* Nimoy and Kelley refusing to do some of their scenes because they were so wildly out of character.
* Sha Ka Ree is named after Sean Connery and he was the original Sybok casting pick
* William Shatner wanted Erik Van Lustbader to write the script. The author asked for $1 million and Paramount refused to pay up. Nicholas Meyer was then approached, but was unavailable, resulting in David Loughery eventually being hired.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm not sure if there is a TOS episode equivalent, but for what it's worth I do not find anything in this story involving Spock's brother any more compelling than the TNG episode where they find the origin of every english speaking compatible alien in the universe.

The cucumber is mocking this movie.

[Deledrius]

I feel like this movie could have been pretty damn good but has a documentary's worth of horrible misfires about it.

I agree 100%. I can't argue with any of the critiques leveled at this film over the years, but I still enjoy it, for many of the reasons already mentioned in this thread. There are good ideas here, and some compelling imagery despite the budget issues.

It's a film that falls flat on its face constantly, but it keeps getting back up and trying to keep going each time.

[CharlesPhipps]

I'm not sure if there is a TOS episode equivalent, but for what it's worth I do not find anything in this story involving Spock's brother any more compelling than the TNG episode where they find the origin of every english speaking compatible alien in the universe.

The cucumber is mocking this movie.

The thing is that the concept of Sybok is actually something that has some legs on it: the idea that there was in fact a brother of Spock but it's not that Sybok is EVIL. It's that Sybok is a full-blooded Vulcan that wanted to immerse himself in emotions, mysticism, and spirituality. He's the inverse of Spock without being a evil counterpart. Especially when Spock has struggled to be more Vulcan than Vulcan for so many years before realizing that he didn't have to be.

We also have a reason why he'd exist as Vulcans practice arranged marriages so Sarek being divorced isn't a stretch.

It's just they don't do much with any of this.

[Deledrius]

When you put it that way, Sybok and Spock make an interesting contrast to Lore and Data.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm not sure if there is a TOS episode equivalent, but for what it's worth I do not find anything in this story involving Spock's brother any more compelling than the TNG episode where they find the origin of every english speaking compatible alien in the universe.

The cucumber is mocking this movie.

The thing is that the concept of Sybok is actually something that has some legs on it: the idea that there was in fact a brother of Spock but it's not that Sybok is EVIL. It's that Sybok is a full-blooded Vulcan that wanted to immerse himself in emotions, mysticism, and spirituality. He's the inverse of Spock without being a evil counterpart. Especially when Spock has struggled to be more Vulcan than Vulcan for so many years before realizing that he didn't have to be.

We also have a reason why he'd exist as Vulcans practice arranged marriages so Sarek being divorced isn't a stretch.

It's just they don't do much with any of this.

Does it mean anything to Spock at all within the movie though? He trusts Sybok to hijack the enterprise and keep them captive, but does Spock have any reflection on the whole ordeal by the end?

I think a big problem is that it was supposed to be the last of it, and we're supposed to conclude that Spock's spiritual journey was a hoax, even though his powers are a main facet of the original series and only incidentally turn out to have nothing to do with mainstream vulcan culture?

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Writing of her youth in Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter she said: "...my father's individualism and pagan ethical standards were in complete contrast to the rigidly moral conventionalism of my mother's teaching. This disequilibrium, which made my life a kind of endless disputation, is the main reason why I became an intellectual."[17]