Discovery Renewed for Season 5

[Deledrius]

I think I would be miserable too if I forced myself to watch something I don't like and talk about it on YouTube so that I can pay the bills.

Unless you're Chuck, and you have a sense of humor about what you do. Fandom Menace on the other hand seem just utterly miserable and humorless.

In fairness, for some people, I suspect (and hope) it's a matter of knowing that if you care about something you should speak up about it. It's a weird parasocial culture we have right now that isn't healthy for anyone participating in it, but we're not intellectually or emotionally equipped to handle that. That doesn't mean it can't degrade into something less constructive, or that no one has other motives, but I think it's all too easy for fans to grow weary, dismiss critique, and lump it all into the same pile as equal with the detractors who aren't airing legitimate critiques at all. That's good for know one.

[Frustration]

I for one didn't realize how much Star Wars really meant to me until Lucas started hacking the original trilogy to pieces. The way the 'franchise' has been dealt with by its various owners hurt me emotionally - yes, really - to the point that eventually I swore off the whole deal and ended my fandom.

I still cherish the original original films, and some of the Extended Universe that was written well.

A similar situation holds with Star Trek. Many of the stories that I loved best as a child and young adult have essentially be ruined, run into the ground, and I've had to sever my relationship with what they've become.

As the saying goes, there is no hatred like former love.

[edit to add] forgot the 'no', stupid stupid me

[Thebestoftherest]

How is it whenever I think this show has reach a certain number of season I am somehow always a season ahead of the real thing.

[Makeshift Python]

I just find it weird they haven't cancelled any show yet, since regardless of fandom menance no one bat a thousand.

Looks like they're actually going to end PICARD with Season 3. I guess that'll drop in 2023.

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[CharlesPhipps]

I just find it weird they haven't cancelled any show yet, since regardless of fandom menance no one bat a thousand.

Looks like they're actually going to end PICARD with Season 3. I guess that'll drop in 2023.

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And maybe, just maybe, its because Patrick Stewart is a WW2 veteran and old as crap.

[Makeshift Python]

Before the first episode dropped, I assumed this was going to be a limited event series type deal. Just ten episodes and done like with the recent DEXTER revival. I never thought they were gonna try to stretch it out as if it's any other Trek show. So ending on S3 seems reasonable, and it makes sense why they'd shoot that back to back with S2. Better to just get it out of the way than try to commit an 83 year old Stewart for more seasons.

[clearspira]

I for one didn't realize how much Star Wars really meant to me until Lucas started hacking the original trilogy to pieces. The way the 'franchise' has been dealt with by its various owners hurt me emotionally - yes, really - to the point that eventually I swore off the whole deal and ended my fandom.

I still cherish the original original films, and some of the Extended Universe that was written well.

A similar situation holds with Star Trek. Many of the stories that I loved best as a child and young adult have essentially be ruined, run into the ground, and I've had to sever my relationship with what they've become.

As the saying goes, there is hatred like former love.

Yep. 100%. I was thinking this just the other day in fact when rewatching the first Section 31 DS9 episode and realising that this top secret organisation that no one has ever heard of had a fucking fleet waging wars a century ago and it made me sad.

[Makeshift Python]

Wouldn't the mere existence of Section 31 introduced back in 1998 make you sadder, or have you always been skeptical of Federation ideals meaning anything?

[clearspira]

Wouldn't the mere existence of Section 31 introduced back in 1998 make you sadder, or have you always been skeptical of Federation ideals meaning anything?

Iain M Banks goes into this in The Culture far more effectively than Trek ever did. Peace, love, liberalism... these states can only exist if your neighbour isn't stronger than you because these things are seen as weakness. Peace, paradoxically, only comes through the ability to subdue all of your enemies. The whole first book is about this. Arguably the modern day USA is too.

And so was TOS. Kirk always admitted to being a soldier. The Federation armed its ships with weapons capable of taking out cities. It was only season 1 TNG that brought about the whole ''war is a minor providence of being a starship captain'' thing and that only lasted until Wolf 359.

Both the 1701 and the Enterprise-E are clearly ships based upon the design philosophy of ''we are are here to explore. We are here to help you. We won't fire first - but we will fuck you up if you try it.''

[Frustration]

Yep. 100%. I was thinking this just the other day in fact when rewatching the first Section 31 DS9 episode and realising that this top secret organisation that no one has ever heard of had a fucking fleet waging wars a century ago and it made me sad.

And the whole point of the episode is that it's completely ambiguous as to whether there really is such a widespread organization, whether a few renegades call themselves that but aren't actually part of the Federation system, or whether some paranoids are testing Bashir to see if he truly honors Federation ethics or is prone to the sorts of behavior they fear from the genetically augmented.

Making "Section 31" an unambiguous part of the Federation is a violation of everything Star Trek is - excuse me, was - about.