Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

[CharlesPhipps]

I recommend reading the opening of the Star Trek: The Motion Picture novelization which goes into a lot of Gene's ideas that Captain Kirk and company are actually weirdo atavisms. Star Fleet recruits from them because most humans are nudist, free love, vegetarians who have largely embraced alien religions.

[Beastro]

I recommend reading the opening of the Star Trek: The Motion Picture novelization which goes into a lot of Gene's ideas that Captain Kirk and company are actually weirdo atavisms. Star Fleet recruits from them because most humans are nudist, free love, vegetarians who have largely embraced alien religions.

That does not come off as a recommendation, but is yet more evidence of how badly he needed to be restrained by the input of others.

Trek was a nice setting for Sci-Fi stories for everyone else, for him it was desperate wishfullfillment to create a world that he knew he couldn't live in (That and to exorcise his demons. His obsession with the Ferengi just screams projection).

[CharlesPhipps]

That does not come off as a recommendation, but is yet more evidence of how badly he needed to be restrained by the input of others.

Trek was a nice setting for Sci-Fi stories for everyone else, for him it was desperate wishfullfillment to create a world that he knew he couldn't live in (That and to exorcise his demons. His obsession with the Ferengi just screams projection).

As much as I love Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek, I should clarify by "recommendation", I mean getting some insight into the batshit insanity going on in his mind. There's also an extended passage about how Kirk and Spock dealt with slash fic written about them in the 23rd century.

And no, I am not making that up.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Motion ... =1&depth=1

Seriously, read this shit.

[Beastro]

That does not come off as a recommendation, but is yet more evidence of how badly he needed to be restrained by the input of others.

Trek was a nice setting for Sci-Fi stories for everyone else, for him it was desperate wishfullfillment to create a world that he knew he couldn't live in (That and to exorcise his demons. His obsession with the Ferengi just screams projection).

As much as I love Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek, I should clarify by "recommendation", I mean getting some insight into the batshit insanity going on in his mind. There's also an extended passage about how Kirk and Spock dealt with slash fic written about them in the 23rd century.

And no, I am not making that up.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Motion ... =1&depth=1

Seriously, read this shit.

That's sadly amusing xenophilia as bad as any xenophobia.

"We needs cavemen to explore the unknown, because highly evolved moderns will inevitably accept the much better, advanced thinking of outsiders."

Roddenberry had more self-loathing issues in many more parts of his outlook than I realized.

[CharlesPhipps]

To be fair, what Roddenberry wrote wasn't always reflective of his beliefs.

Dude was always on a LOT of drugs and looking for ways to make a buck.

[CrypticMirror]

To be fair, what Roddenberry wrote wasn't always reflective of his beliefs.

Dude was always on a LOT of drugs and looking for ways to make a buck.

Nobody is one hundred percent consistent in their beliefs; humans are a walking mass of inconsistencies, as a quote I saw on a barmat, from someone whose name I can't remember, once said.

And of course he had to hustle to make a buck; lots of us dream of a world without money, but we've still got to live in this one which demands it.

[McAvoy]

One thing about Gene is that what made hate capitalism so much to make it like only cavemen used it come the 24th century. The man was always looking to make a buck.

[Deledrius]

One thing about Gene is that what made hate capitalism so much to make it like only cavemen used it come the 24th century. The man was always looking to make a buck.

The most charitable option is that he was one of those people who like to talk big about an optimistic future, but when pressed in the here-and-now uses the "I have mouths to feed" line to excuse not living up to his own ideals. There are a lot of hypocrites like that, sadly. Patreon, GoFundMe, and now even GitHub loves to feed these types and make them complicit enough in the system that they can't admit the problem without implicating themselves, and dependent enough on it that they can't fight it either. All part of the Bread and Circuses, now with more granularity than ever!

OTOH, some might say that Gene was a man just taking advantage of a system that took advantage of him.

It all depends on your perspective.

[CrypticMirror]

One thing about Gene is that what made hate capitalism so much to make it like only cavemen used it come the 24th century. The man was always looking to make a buck.

The most charitable option is that he was one of those people who like to talk big about an optimistic future, but when pressed in the here-and-now uses the "I have mouths to feed" line to excuse not living up to his own ideals. There are a lot of hypocrites like that, sadly.

Okay, Mister Gotcha.
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

[Deledrius]

Okay, Mister Gotcha.
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

That's not the argument I was making. I suppose it's dangerously close though, so thanks for the look out. Mister Gotcha is an idiot internet troll who attacks people with no power, which is exactly the behavior I was complaining about crowdfunding enabling. It encourages that sort of poor-against-poor attitude.

The part you quoted, particularly, is about someone who had an actual soapbox using it to project a better world while he exhibited some of the traits he disdained, and I'm saying it's hypocritical of someone with that soapbox and resources to do so, in answer to "how could someone who believed X do Y". Most people have some level of cognitive dissonance in this way, and it's simply more prominent in someone with prominence.

Basically, in agreement with:

Nobody is one hundred percent consistent in their beliefs; humans are a walking mass of inconsistencies, as a quote I saw on a barmat, from someone whose name I can't remember, once said.

And of course he had to hustle to make a buck; lots of us dream of a world without money, but we've still got to live in this one which demands it.

It's well documented that he was frequently more than just "out to make a buck" in that he was very opportunistic, in a way that in someone with less credibility would probably be looked at very unfavorably. It often still is.

At least he (along with Gene Coon and DC Fontana) was putting a better world out there in some way, even if he couldn't make himself live in it, or live up to it.