BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:27 pm
All and all though, I must disagree with you and Fuzzy Necromancer that Batman's predominant worth as a superhero has to do with him talking to kids or people who physically resemble kids.
I don't see him saying kids, but humans with troubled minds and souls.
Neato!!! She physically resembles a child.
There's nothing superhuman to the Joker, Penguin and many others. Even when they do it, like Clayface, what shines is how mental troubles not their powers.
Penguin doesn't shine because of his tormented past. He shines because he torments people in wildly extravagant and sadistic ways.
That's were the comic book medium fails Batman. It's easy enough to show Superman's powers and put his strength on display, but it's very difficult to show some genius detective when your average writer writing him is far from a genius.
If this was true then there would be far less intuitive stories involving geniuses.
I seriously get a chuckle every time people just claim that Batman has some genius intellect. I ran into that a couple weeks ago when friend's son was watching something on the phone at a party. It was going on about how the genius of Batman and Tony Stark differ and it was just empty statements that had no substance that mainly resolved around how they used their intelligence to make advanced suits of armour to defeat god-like beings (which just reveals the crutch writers fall on to express intellect through technology).
It's really easy to find outlandish things that Batman does that prevails what you would expect smart people to be capable of handling. As far as situational awareness it's really no contest, while Batman rises to intellectual situations at the same pace that Flash further develops his speed force abilities.
It's a very great aspect of Batman. Flash can do it just as well, and I would have much rather seen him talk to Ace than Batman. Since Flash probably isn't Flash yet in this situation, Batman probably did the job fine I say.
And yes, Penguin is scary completely in spite of not being a supervillain. Though I don't think my point really hinged on powers anyway.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:27 pm
All and all though, I must disagree with you and Fuzzy Necromancer that Batman's predominant worth as a superhero has to do with him talking to kids or people who physically resemble kids.
Hey now, don't go putting words in my mouth.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
griffeytrek wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:15 am
I always thought that this episode had to be somewhat inspired by Gary Coleman. Who really did suffer this fate.
Me too but I was half surprised to learn that he was actually young when he did Diffrent Strokes.
The talk about connections with Batman and the Justice League does make me have a thought about Dahl post her second appearance.
An aspect that gets overlooked a lot with Batman is that, while he wants to put justice to criminals, he also wants to help out ones that don't go TOO far (and even then he does do things to them, like how the Arkham games had him say he still would have saved Joker if given the chance). With Dahl's condition, and then the later gathering of all the super sciences from the various League members, would it have been possible to either have cured her condition (Her physical aging taking some time to develop but she still would have had a chance at it) or clone a new body and transfer it, minus that condition?
Just a random thinking thing I had...possibly a story the continuation comics that are out now could do in a downtime of a major story.
"You're only given a little spark of madness. And if you lose that, you're nothing."
Robin Williams
1978 HBO Special
Batman, Bruce, needs to believe in the system. That is why he doesn't set himself up as judge, jury, and executioner, he brings people to the cops or to doctors, he wants the system to work, he funds stuff like rehabilitation centers, halfway houses, has Wayne Enterprises hire ex cons to give them second chances, and for a lot of the more petty cases it works. Batman is the OG social justice warrior. Batman would like nothing better than to see a genuinely healed Joker. He's not just a believer in second chances, but in infinite chances.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:27 pm
All and all though, I must disagree with you and Fuzzy Necromancer that Batman's predominant worth as a superhero has to do with him talking to kids or people who physically resemble kids.
CrypticMirror wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:06 am
Batman, Bruce, needs to believe in the system. That is why he doesn't set himself up as judge, jury, and executioner, he brings people to the cops or to doctors, he wants the system to work, he funds stuff like rehabilitation centers, halfway houses, has Wayne Enterprises hire ex cons to give them second chances, and for a lot of the more petty cases it works. Batman is the OG social justice warrior. Batman would like nothing better than to see a genuinely healed Joker. He's not just a believer in second chances, but in infinite chances.
Yeah I think this is more where he shines on a grounded level. And it's largely out of JL's jurisdiction.
