Twilight: Does Anyone Actually Remember This?

[McAvoy]

When I was on my second deployment, I read the first book. Mind you, my time in the Navy involved me reading alot of books. So at the time I ran out of books to read and a friend gave me the book to read. I mean, if I didn't read the book then I would have been forced to watch Starship Troopers, Top Gun, Rules of Engagement for 309th time since it seems those three movies were on almost every day.

Anyway, as people already have said, Bella was written to be the vessel for reader. I don't know home many times Bella said Edward was perfect and how many times she described him. But you have no idea what Bella looked like.

I read it even though the book was really not meant for me.

The movie I watched because at the time, I was with one of my girlfriends and if I get to sit through the movie I get to play with her untouchables.

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

I was Navy. I did forget about Full Metal Jacket. That was on but not as often as Starship Troopers. I don't know why.

[Beastro]

When I was on my second deployment, I read the first book. Mind you, my time in the Navy involved me reading alot of books. So at the time I ran out of books to read and a friend gave me the book to read. I mean, if I didn't read the book then I would have been forced to watch Starship Troopers, Top Gun, Rules of Engagement for 309th time since it seems those three movies were on almost every day.

Anyway, as people already have said, Bella was written to be the vessel for reader. I don't know home many times Bella said Edward was perfect and how many times she described him. But you have no idea what Bella looked like.

I read it even though the book was really not meant for me.

The movie I watched because at the time, I was with one of my girlfriends and if I get to sit through the movie I get to play with her untouchables.

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

The servicemen I know all love Starship Troopers. You can see enough of the book shine through the film for them to appreciate it and brush away Verhoeven's silliness. They can appreciate the touches upon the expendablity aspect because they weren't dumb about the realities of war if they had to go into it, especially the Cold Warriors.

I know BUFF crewmen who knew they were going to do one way trips if things became hot and Vietnam vets who weren't given proper extraction methods when sent out. They found ways themselves of getting out of hundreds of miles of jungle back to base only for their CO to actually be surprised seeing them coming back alive.

Well I mean it's not the most indictable. Full Metal Jacket granted is pretty disparaging.

Those I know that served in Vietnam LOVE the first half, especially R. Lee Ermey. It's like a nostalgia trip for them. The second bit they ignore because of how little it had to do with what they actually faced over there. It's a movie very much like a hamburger where you get it and pick out the things you don't like to enjoy it.

I personally just turn it off once the boot camp half ends, the second half is clearly scenes very poorly trying to look like Vietnam afterwards.

There's different perspectives from them why they can enjoy such movies and that plays into how they handled serving there. Some just survived, for others killing Commies was killing Commies and a virtue until its own even if the war was fucked up (which is the Destroyerman's opinion who found himself fighting at Hue and saw the mass graves the Communists made) while for others it was a job and they didn't have any opinion either way about the greater scheme of things (which is the Canadian's who joined up to finish his grade-school education and got deployed over there for two tours).

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Haha that's great. I'm sure plenty of people loved it while doing their thing. I was thinking more like it was just something the base showed in the hall or something. Makes sense though, thank you both for sharing.

It's nice when you like the bit of a movie that happens to be in the later half. The Matrix and Attack of the Clones were very much those movies for me, and I'm fond of them both to the same degree ironically.

[McAvoy]

When I was on my second deployment, I read the first book. Mind you, my time in the Navy involved me reading alot of books. So at the time I ran out of books to read and a friend gave me the book to read. I mean, if I didn't read the book then I would have been forced to watch Starship Troopers, Top Gun, Rules of Engagement for 309th time since it seems those three movies were on almost every day.

Anyway, as people already have said, Bella was written to be the vessel for reader. I don't know home many times Bella said Edward was perfect and how many times she described him. But you have no idea what Bella looked like.

I read it even though the book was really not meant for me.

The movie I watched because at the time, I was with one of my girlfriends and if I get to sit through the movie I get to play with her untouchables.

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

The servicemen I know all love Starship Troopers. You can see enough of the book shine through the film for them to appreciate it and brush away Verhoeven's silliness. They can appreciate the touches upon the expendablity aspect because they weren't dumb about the realities of war if they had to go into it, especially the Cold Warriors.

I know BUFF crewmen who knew they were going to do one way trips if things became hot and Vietnam vets who weren't given proper extraction methods when sent out. They found ways themselves of getting out of hundreds of miles of jungle back to base only for their CO to actually be surprised seeing them coming back alive.

Well I mean it's not the most indictable. Full Metal Jacket granted is pretty disparaging.

Those I know that served in Vietnam LOVE the first half, especially R. Lee Ermey. It's like a nostalgia trip for them. The second bit they ignore because of how little it had to do with what they actually faced over there. It's a movie very much like a hamburger where you get it and pick out the things you don't like to enjoy it.

I personally just turn it off once the boot camp half ends, the second half is clearly scenes very poorly trying to look like Vietnam afterwards.

There's different perspectives from them why they can enjoy such movies and that plays into how they handled serving there. Some just survived, for others killing Commies was killing Commies and a virtue until its own even if the war was fucked up (which is the Destroyerman's opinion who found himself fighting at Hue and saw the mass graves the Communists made) while for others it was a job and they didn't have any opinion either way about the greater scheme of things (which is the Canadian's who joined up to finish his grade-school education and got deployed over there for two tours).

Alot of people I know who like Full Metal Jacket really only watch it for the Boot Camp part.

No one quotes the second part of the movie but many can from the boot camp part of it.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

All I know from the movie is the doughnut fiasco. I knew of D'onofrio from The Cell, and Matthew Modine from Bye Bye Love.

[Worffan101]

Honestly, I give Twilight a lot of slack. It's a 30something bored Mormon housewife writing down her fantasies of having a hot young dude be slavishly devoted to her.

Yeah, the power dynamics aren't great (nowhere near as bad as in the various ripoffs, though), the whole "soulbond with a baby" thing is squick and Meyer acknowledging it doesn't make it any better, and while she's clearly aware that it's not OK to be racist against native americans and so casts them as powerful badass manly-men, she's still kinda being racist by accident...

...but she's got a strong writing voice, real talent, a decent sense of humor, and is putting in an effort with her books. After reading some of the various godawful ripoffs like Hush, Hush, Fifty Shades (made it 50 pages in and threw it across the room), and the like, I honestly can't hate Twilight. Even the movies.

Hell, the first movie is actually decent because the director is creative and has a good eye for mood.

[McAvoy]

Honestly, I give Twilight a lot of slack. It's a 30something bored Mormon housewife writing down her fantasies of having a hot young dude be slavishly devoted to her.

Yeah, the power dynamics aren't great (nowhere near as bad as in the various ripoffs, though), the whole "soulbond with a baby" thing is squick and Meyer acknowledging it doesn't make it any better, and while she's clearly aware that it's not OK to be racist against native americans and so casts them as powerful badass manly-men, she's still kinda being racist by accident...

...but she's got a strong writing voice, real talent, a decent sense of humor, and is putting in an effort with her books. After reading some of the various godawful ripoffs like Hush, Hush, Fifty Shades (made it 50 pages in and threw it across the room), and the like, I honestly can't hate Twilight. Even the movies.

Hell, the first movie is actually decent because the director is creative and has a good eye for mood.

I only read the book and saw the first movie all the way through. I did see some of the other movies because it was on at an airport or other places.

Like I said, the book made a Bella a standin for the reader.

I think there are certain things though people just don't like. Maybe the sparkle part. I think the 100 year old man posing as a high school student is one. Maybe there was a specific reason why that no one but the fans know, it's just weird.

[Frustration]

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

The sort of person who thinks the battle scenes in Starship Troopers are awesome isn't likely to notice the satire. Poe's Law in practice.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

The sort of person who thinks the battle scenes in Starship Troopers are awesome isn't likely to notice the satire. Poe's Law in practice.

I thought the "only good bug is a dead bug" was pretty straight forward when I was 13-15yo.

[J!!]

Lol. The irony of your army unit showing Starship Troopers. At least it wasn't Full Metal Jacket, I guess.

The sort of person who thinks the battle scenes in Starship Troopers are awesome isn't likely to notice the satire. Poe's Law in practice.

The two things are not mutually exclusive.