CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:12 am
I would gladly watch one with the tone, feel, and bleakness of Fallout 3.
That was pure atmosphere and I still think of seeing the Capital Wasteland for the first time as a transformative moment.
One bit on the bleakness. Would there really be that little plant life?
I mean the original games were basically in a desert, but even then they had tree areas. (I figured the lack of forest was a hardware limitation)
Now it is significantly later, yet radiation is in what seem to be odd areas and life is missing.
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
Oh and if I had to ask for one thing in there beyond get style right.
The leader of the Elvis impersonator school in NV. "I know it says school on the outside. But people flocked here to dress like, look like, move and sound like this man. If that is not worship, I don't know what is."
I found that pretty cool.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:33 am
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
It has less to do with radiation and more to do with the effects of megaton airburst explosions and subsequent firestorms. You blow away the top soil and burn everything else, and nothing's going to grow for a while
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Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:33 am
One bit on the bleakness. Would there really be that little plant life?
I mean the original games were basically in a desert, but even then they had tree areas. (I figured the lack of forest was a hardware limitation)
Now it is significantly later, yet radiation is in what seem to be odd areas and life is missing.
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
You get a somewhat different view of the apocalypse if it's bright and thriving plantlife.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:35 am
Oh and if I had to ask for one thing in there beyond get style right.
The leader of the Elvis impersonator school in NV. "I know it says school on the outside. But people flocked here to dress like, look like, move and sound like this man. If that is not worship, I don't know what is."
I found that pretty cool.
And he's right. There's no coincidence that the decline in organized religion has been followed by a rise of things like cosplay and other participatory behaviours where one acts out the role of figures that resonate with them. Seeing pictures of people dressed up and conventions, all I can see if tribal people dressed up trying to look like tigers and other animals.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:33 am
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
It has less to do with radiation and more to do with the effects of megaton airburst explosions and subsequent firestorms. You blow away the top soil and burn everything else, and nothing's going to grow for a while
Please don't defend the Bethesda games. We all know why they did that and it's because it's the setting they expect people to want to be delivered, and who cares if it's been centuries and things should have recovered?
The original games in their own way strayed into this as well, but they nonetheless showed recovery and were set in more arid lands that can get away with it. Bethesda just wants to maintain a commodity style and it's why the ultimate irony of them owning Fallout is that Vault Boy has become the very thing he was created to satirize: The empty, smiling faced mascot for a soulless, greedy company.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:33 am
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
It has less to do with radiation and more to do with the effects of megaton airburst explosions and subsequent firestorms. You blow away the top soil and burn everything else, and nothing's going to grow for a while
Please don't defend the Bethesda games. We all know why they did that and it's because it's the setting they expect people to want to be delivered, and who cares if it's been centuries and things should have recovered?
It's more an instinctive response to "nuclear bombs are like nuclear disasters and vice versa". It irritates me whenever I see it and so I usually say something.
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Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:33 am
I ask because one thing that was noted about the area around Chernobyl is that nature is reclaiming all of it. Trees growing and animals moving in away from humans.
Okay yes I know that is modern information. But was the fifties view of after the bomb nothing but desert?
It has less to do with radiation and more to do with the effects of megaton airburst explosions and subsequent firestorms. You blow away the top soil and burn everything else, and nothing's going to grow for a while
Please don't defend the Bethesda games. We all know why they did that and it's because it's the setting they expect people to want to be delivered, and who cares if it's been centuries and things should have recovered?
It's more an instinctive response to "nuclear bombs are like nuclear disasters and vice versa". It irritates me whenever I see it and so I usually say something.
That I can understand completely. There are few things I loath more than the "Nuclear reactors initiate like a nuclear weapons" stereotype.
ProfessorDetective wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:49 am
So, is this going to be pre-war, post-war, or a mix? Are we getting Mad Max with robots and lasers or Mad Men with robots and lasers?
Beastro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:14 pm
And he's right. There's no coincidence that the decline in organized religion has been followed by a rise of things like cosplay and other participatory behaviours where one acts out the role of figures that resonate with them. Seeing pictures of people dressed up and conventions, all I can see if tribal people dressed up trying to look like tigers and other animals.
I feel that prior to this bizarre cultural shift you mention there was a thing called a costume party.
Please don't defend the Bethesda games. We all know why they did that and it's because it's the setting they expect people to want to be delivered, and who cares if it's been centuries and things should have recovered?
The original games in their own way strayed into this as well, but they nonetheless showed recovery and were set in more arid lands that can get away with it. Bethesda just wants to maintain a commodity style and it's why the ultimate irony of them owning Fallout is that Vault Boy has become the very thing he was created to satirize: The empty, smiling faced mascot for a soulless, greedy company.
I feel like the assumption that the game needs defending is bizarre as "classic" Fallout is a game setting with the bridge master from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the option to be a porn star, and Robbie the Robot elements from the beginning. It was also made as a serial numbers filed off sequel to Wasteland that had Las Vegas overrun by robots and killer rabbits.
Bethesda's version of Fallout 3's greatest element is the horror it brought to the destruction as well as the silly.