The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[phantom000]

Meanwhile, China is trying to play mediator between Russia and the West in an effort to maintain it's economic and political relationships to both sides.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-official- ... 35197.html

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What Russia is doing is not very different from what goes on in the middle east. Just that any intervention by the west is historically a big deal, and we've naturally covered a lot of ground in that particular area for 3 decades over the course of 3 wars.

Remember though that Trump sent missile strikes to Syria as a gesture. Putin knows Biden won't send any stingers into the unproven ground unless provoked.

Um....dude, Biden has sent a SHIT TON more than stingers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-and- ... tos-2022-3

Well yeah dude now. I haven't been paying attention for like 2 days. The conversation leading up to it thus far has amounted to "what's going on in Putin's mind to be doing this." He's doing what countries in the middle east try to do under our occupational nose all the time.

And if we had the same scope of presence in the caucus as we have in the middle east since 1992 then this wouldn't be going down the same way. I have heard people suggest that Putin is choosing to do this whole thing on Biden's watch because he knows a Republican wouldn't stand for it.

What would a Republican do differently? Obviously implying more would be done.

Do you think Putin would back away from what he may think as a bluff?

Considering how far Putin has shown he is willing to take this, by the time he gets what he's set out to accomplish, brushing face with the west would probably be more severe with Republicans in charge, when it comes to that. It's a stark difference between how Democrats and Republicans exhibit oversea diplomatic relations on behalf of Washington. Everything up to this point is fairly measured by the west, though I don't think Putin expected it to be as knuckle dragging given how responsive the west was with the sanctioning making the situation much longer felt. I also think Putin thought he could cover it up, at least more or longer than he did, given the double talk.

[Draco Dracul]

What Russia is doing is not very different from what goes on in the middle east. Just that any intervention by the west is historically a big deal, and we've naturally covered a lot of ground in that particular area for 3 decades over the course of 3 wars.

Remember though that Trump sent missile strikes to Syria as a gesture. Putin knows Biden won't send any stingers into the unproven ground unless provoked.

Um....dude, Biden has sent a SHIT TON more than stingers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-and- ... tos-2022-3

Well yeah dude now. I haven't been paying attention for like 2 days. The conversation leading up to it thus far has amounted to "what's going on in Putin's mind to be doing this." He's doing what countries in the middle east try to do under our occupational nose all the time.

And if we had the same scope of presence in the caucus as we have in the middle east since 1992 then this wouldn't be going down the same way. I have heard people suggest that Putin is choosing to do this whole thing on Biden's watch because he knows a Republican wouldn't stand for it.

What would a Republican do differently? Obviously implying more would be done.

Do you think Putin would back away from what he may think as a bluff?

Republicans in general or Trump specifically? Because Republicans in general would do about the same. With Trump specifically I'd give us decent odds on sending troops to help the Russians

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't think Washington would ever aid Russia in this.

[Frustration]

It would not surprise me if when this is all over, China ends up owning Russia in a fairly literal sense.

Do you think that would blunt China's ambitions in sort of a "white elephant" sense, in that they'd have so much on their plates that they'd be less of a threat? Or would that just whet their appetites to "return" to the world-dominating empire they could have been once?

[Frustration]

Thank you for clarifying. Frustration, do you agree with this assessment or do you have any examples to add?

There are more potential examples than I could list in a week, but those would be worthy of discussion... probably in another thread, since the topic is pretty tangent to the Ukraine invasion.

[CharlesPhipps]

I don't think Washington would ever aid Russia in this.

Depends on how you define aid. I could easily see Trump arguing sanctioning Russia was a bad idea given he invited Russia to conferences they were excluded for over Crimea.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't think Washington would ever aid Russia in this.

Depends on how you define aid. I could easily see Trump arguing sanctioning Russia was a bad idea given he invited Russia to conferences they were excluded for over Crimea.

That's how all modern right wing states shake hands. It's not different from Nixon going to China. As soon as someone starts going to war though it's a different situation, and that includes Crimea for consideration.

As soon as someone starts getting loud, then America starts getting louder. UN is a different matter though, and the US is more cooperative with it when a Democrat is in the executive branch.

[Riedquat]

Meanwhile, China is trying to play mediator between Russia and the West in an effort to maintain it's economic and political relationships to both sides.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-official- ... 35197.html

China stands to be the real winner if it plays its cards right, although uttering any opinion on the matter either way is politically awkward (can't either be seen to support the West or to back attacking sovereign nations).

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Meanwhile, China is trying to play mediator between Russia and the West in an effort to maintain it's economic and political relationships to both sides.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-official- ... 35197.html

China stands to be the real winner if it plays its cards right, although uttering any opinion on the matter either way is politically awkward (can't either be seen to support the West or to back attacking sovereign nations).

What's this about China coming out ahead?