The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That's pretty much the only fascinating natural dilemma I remember from population by terms of economic science. Otherwise immigration is a hot one.

[phantom000]

The UN Court has ordered Russia to cease the invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u- ... uxbndlbing

A final ruling, potentially years away, would also be expected to have negligible impact.

I get the feeling that the impact will be more meaningful than they expect, just not on the Ukrainian situation.

Meanwhile; Donald Trump says he was surprised by the invasion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/tr ... uxbndlbing

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Sure would be nice if 45 and the Republican party that supports him experienced any sort of negative consequences for his sucking up to Putin and denying Ukraine aid. I expect nothing, however.

[Riedquat]

A slowly falling or stagnating population isn't bad. It gets bad when you loose a considerable part of your population per generation however, because who is going to pay for the ever older-getting population, when there are ever fewer people at the working age?

Yes, that's fair enough. Falling populations need to happen (just think how many problems the world has that it wouldn't if it only had half the number of people), but too rapidly causes those issues.

One of the problems with demographics is that some use that as an argument for increasing the population, to get a different old / young balance that's been shifted older due to increases in longevity. That's not a sustainable approach - the young get old, and is pyramid scheme thinking.

[Riedquat]

In 30 years Russia's going to be down 11 million people while most other countries grew even more populous. By demographics, they're finished.

Because the more people, the better, right?

*looks at world population crisis and the crushing environmental effects of high densities*

Yeah, odd one that some people seem to view a falling population in a badly overpopulated world as a bad thing.

A falling population is an aging population, and to be frank, the elderly are expensive to keep around. Without the young paying into health insurance and pensions, the entire thing collapses upon itself.

That's why it's trouble if it happens too fast.

If you can manage a stable population well enough then you can manage a falling one with not much extra hardship, as long as it doesn't fall too rapidly. If you can't manage a stable population that's older due to longevity increases then you're in a fundamentally unsustainable position anyway, and trying to stave it off by increasing at the other end is just creating much bigger problems in the future.

Anyway there's got to be some point in all this automation people keep barking on about, and which has been ongoing for years. It should mean that we don't need as high a proportion of the population able to work.

[phantom000]

Sure would be nice if 45 and the Republican party that supports him experienced any sort of negative consequences for his sucking up to Putin and denying Ukraine aid. I expect nothing, however.

Well its not over Ukraine but a bunch of Republicans who challenged the election results are not getting as much campeign donations as they used to. While Republicans who supported Biden are getting more than usual.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-re ... p_catchall

If Trump can't get the Party Nomination for 2024, it will either be the end of his political career or the beginning of the end of the GOP.

Either way, things could get interesting come election time, assuming the US is still here in 2024.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

That doesn't mean much when you control the voting district layouts, the courts, and have giant corporate donors.

Overpopulation is not that big of a problem. We still have plenty of resources for everyone, it's just that it benefits the powerful to have the threat of homelessness and starvation hanging over the heads of the working class so efforts to provide the housing and food we need are thwarted.

[CharlesPhipps]

Sure would be nice if 45 and the Republican party that supports him experienced any sort of negative consequences for his sucking up to Putin and denying Ukraine aid. I expect nothing, however.

Well its not over Ukraine but a bunch of Republicans who challenged the election results are not getting as much campeign donations as they used to. While Republicans who supported Biden are getting more than usual.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-re ... p_catchall

If Trump can't get the Party Nomination for 2024, it will either be the end of his political career or the beginning of the end of the GOP.

Either way, things could get interesting come election time, assuming the US is still here in 2024.

I mean, the NRA was laundering money for Russia to support extremist Russia-friendly GOP candidates.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/76487924 ... rt-reveals

[Madner Kami]

A good majority of the european far right groups are also constantly found to have monetary ties to Russia. It remains to be seen what effect the sanctions have on the political landscape on the old continent.

[CharlesPhipps]

A good majority of the european far right groups are also constantly found to have monetary ties to Russia. It remains to be seen what effect the sanctions have on the political landscape on the old continent.

Oddly, the European Far Right is really against Russia in this war versus the Far Right in America that supports Russia.

It's an interesting contrast.