Postal Service Reform Act passes congress

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Frustration wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:31 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:49 pm Well, best time to plant a tree and all that.
The best time to plant a tree is when that plot of land isn't due to be bulldozed.

Sometimes late ISN'T better than never.
The post office is still alive, if not well, and far from beyond saving. Why are you so pessimistic about it?
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Nealithi wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:11 am
McAvoy wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:21 am Guitar boxes. 45x6x18 for electric guitars. 50x8x20 for large acoustic guitars with their case. Weight varies but shipping internationally varies somewhere I think $120 to $200.

One time we tried to ship two saxophones and their cases in one box. The buyer wanted it through UPS but it came out to well over $600+ but Post Office was a little over $200.

Small packages shipped internationally has always been cheaper with the Post Office too. Though within the US, either one works but the Post Office usually fudges the dimensions for my Dad. So sometimes it's cheaper through the Post Office too.
Interesting. The first box shows as a 37lb box and shows $611.72 going to London UK Via FedEx
Same Package USPS $196.70
Same Package UPS $763.91

My company was closer to the USPS rate with FedEx.

USPS did not have a shipping tool. They had charts to follow and took longer to find the country code to match price variables by weight.
What is the USPS insurance for damages if you happen to know?
I ask because we rarely used USPS as it was difficult to work with for us. Rumor being they also gave no guarantee of delivery.
Sounds like you were using a Les Paul with case to get that 37 pounds. My extensive experience (I have been doing this since as a kid. Used to get $5 for every guitar I packed for my Dad), you could easily ship a guitar weighing just 15 pounds.

USPS insurance limits is up to I think $2500 I believe before rates go way up. But even then, it's still lower than UPS or FedEx. So you could ship the same 37 pound guitar whether it's worth $250 or $2500 for the same price and insurance.

Experience though in getting that money back is hard though.

The flat rate boxes for the USPS is very useful if you ship parts. Take for example if you ship a large package of tremolos, a specific big tailpiece on electric guitars. If you ship let's say 12 of them, it costs about $32 but a flat rate box would be $16.10.
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McAvoy wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:23 am
Nealithi wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:11 am
McAvoy wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:21 am Guitar boxes. 45x6x18 for electric guitars. 50x8x20 for large acoustic guitars with their case. Weight varies but shipping internationally varies somewhere I think $120 to $200.

One time we tried to ship two saxophones and their cases in one box. The buyer wanted it through UPS but it came out to well over $600+ but Post Office was a little over $200.

Small packages shipped internationally has always been cheaper with the Post Office too. Though within the US, either one works but the Post Office usually fudges the dimensions for my Dad. So sometimes it's cheaper through the Post Office too.
Interesting. The first box shows as a 37lb box and shows $611.72 going to London UK Via FedEx
Same Package USPS $196.70
Same Package UPS $763.91

My company was closer to the USPS rate with FedEx.

USPS did not have a shipping tool. They had charts to follow and took longer to find the country code to match price variables by weight.
What is the USPS insurance for damages if you happen to know?
I ask because we rarely used USPS as it was difficult to work with for us. Rumor being they also gave no guarantee of delivery.
Sounds like you were using a Les Paul with case to get that 37 pounds. My extensive experience (I have been doing this since as a kid. Used to get $5 for every guitar I packed for my Dad), you could easily ship a guitar weighing just 15 pounds.

USPS insurance limits is up to I think $2500 I believe before rates go way up. But even then, it's still lower than UPS or FedEx. So you could ship the same 37 pound guitar whether it's worth $250 or $2500 for the same price and insurance.

Experience though in getting that money back is hard though.

The flat rate boxes for the USPS is very useful if you ship parts. Take for example if you ship a large package of tremolos, a specific big tailpiece on electric guitars. If you ship let's say 12 of them, it costs about $32 but a flat rate box would be $16.10.
I have to say I am unsure of the phrase Les Paul. Shipping for each carrier has been LxWxH/132 to get the dimensional weight. All items round up. so 9.01 inch? Ten inches. 5.1 lbs? 6lbs. They will be scanning each box and doing their calculations that way.

As to insurance. UPS and FedEx have a flat $100 insurance per package unless additional insurance is purchased. Our customers screamed bloody murder if we bought the additional insurance.
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Nealithi wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:15 am
McAvoy wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:23 am
Nealithi wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:11 am
McAvoy wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:21 am Guitar boxes. 45x6x18 for electric guitars. 50x8x20 for large acoustic guitars with their case. Weight varies but shipping internationally varies somewhere I think $120 to $200.

One time we tried to ship two saxophones and their cases in one box. The buyer wanted it through UPS but it came out to well over $600+ but Post Office was a little over $200.

Small packages shipped internationally has always been cheaper with the Post Office too. Though within the US, either one works but the Post Office usually fudges the dimensions for my Dad. So sometimes it's cheaper through the Post Office too.
Interesting. The first box shows as a 37lb box and shows $611.72 going to London UK Via FedEx
Same Package USPS $196.70
Same Package UPS $763.91

My company was closer to the USPS rate with FedEx.

USPS did not have a shipping tool. They had charts to follow and took longer to find the country code to match price variables by weight.
What is the USPS insurance for damages if you happen to know?
I ask because we rarely used USPS as it was difficult to work with for us. Rumor being they also gave no guarantee of delivery.
Sounds like you were using a Les Paul with case to get that 37 pounds. My extensive experience (I have been doing this since as a kid. Used to get $5 for every guitar I packed for my Dad), you could easily ship a guitar weighing just 15 pounds.

USPS insurance limits is up to I think $2500 I believe before rates go way up. But even then, it's still lower than UPS or FedEx. So you could ship the same 37 pound guitar whether it's worth $250 or $2500 for the same price and insurance.

Experience though in getting that money back is hard though.

The flat rate boxes for the USPS is very useful if you ship parts. Take for example if you ship a large package of tremolos, a specific big tailpiece on electric guitars. If you ship let's say 12 of them, it costs about $32 but a flat rate box would be $16.10.
I have to say I am unsure of the phrase Les Paul. Shipping for each carrier has been LxWxH/132 to get the dimensional weight. All items round up. so 9.01 inch? Ten inches. 5.1 lbs? 6lbs. They will be scanning each box and doing their calculations that way.

As to insurance. UPS and FedEx have a flat $100 insurance per package unless additional insurance is purchased. Our customers screamed bloody murder if we bought the additional insurance.
Lea Paul is model of guitar. Solid body, heavier than your average guitar. Combine that with the case that can hold it, and you might get up to 37 lbs. But that is still alot for a guitar.

Post Office has automatic insurance but when shipping overseas you have to fill out a customs form which I believe is included for the declared value on the form.

Like I said before, the USPS office we ship stuff, alot of things gets fudged for my Dad due to how often and how much he spends there. There was a time he was spending up to $2500 in shipping costs there.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:36 pm The post office is still alive, if not well, and far from beyond saving. Why are you so pessimistic about it?
Because I recognize something you seem to not accept: we are rapidly approaching Endgame.
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Frustration wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:52 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:36 pm The post office is still alive, if not well, and far from beyond saving. Why are you so pessimistic about it?
Because I recognize something you seem to not accept: we are rapidly approaching Endgame.
Everything you say makes a lot more sense when you clarify you're a nihilistic doomster.
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Insisting that there is hope merely out of wishful thinking is pointless. If you had rational arguments, you'd be making them; the same goes for the vast numbers of people who eagerly talk about how they can fix things: they are largely larping.

The nature of communication has changed, and the number of actual letters sent has dwindled. Additionally, people insist on putting unreasonable demands on the postal system, such as requiring it to deliver to highly rural and isolated regions at ridiculously low costs, and this can only be accomplished by overcharging the more heavily-used routes. Or government subsidization, which works out to charging people who aren't even using the services.

I can imagine people applying rational thought to the issue and coming up with true solutions. But given the overwhelming problems beginning to become apparent to our societies (their roots go back generations, even centuries in some cases) there simply isn't enough attention to spare.

I look, and I don't see an increase in rational analysis; I see increasing irrationality and the embrace of nonsense. So theory says this cause is doomed, and practical observation concurs.
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You don't account for the simple fact, that some desirable situations are inherently anti-economic. Increased centralization and urbanization are economical for example. But they are detrimental to both the human mind and the human body in various ways, so taking off burdens of a more dispersed way of living is sensible, to reduce the economic pressure That this has to be cross-financed through taxation of people who don't use the given service, is logical and sensible.
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Everybody who lives somewhere establishes themselves as some sort of citizen bound to the state with due rights and obligations and all that jazz. For the most part, the federal government itself only knows you by your social security number and is in theory only protecting you from the state governments and itself.

In order to validate protection from a US state, for very instance, it's pertinent that one has a mailing address provided to them so that information can be passed to them being basically an inhabitant of the US. Also more commonly, if a city/county government wants to get in contact with someone for legal matters, then by US constitution (for the person and the public's benefit), they can establish rather official correspondence.
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Frustration wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:35 pm Insisting that there is hope merely out of wishful thinking is pointless. If you had rational arguments, you'd be making them; the same goes for the vast numbers of people who eagerly talk about how they can fix things: they are largely larping.
You're not smarter than other people just because you are more cynical than them. We don't owe every edgelord on the internet an argument that they will accept as watertight and rational, and if you understood humans as much as you claimed you'd know that a rational argument isn't the same as a persuasive one.
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