DBF on police brutality part II

[Dragon Ball Fan]

It a collection of people who only vaguely agree on what to do, mainly because they don't like the idea of the other side getting power and making things worst. What power, you have yet to talk about any one with any real power, just people minding their own business upset with the powers while claiming with powers are helpless victims.

But they have a massive online fallowing and are influencers. And how is wishing ill on right wingers going to help the world. from a consequentialist/utilitarian standpoint, if it doesn't help anybody, it's meaningless.

The hypocrisy of these leftists frustrates me too. is it really so hard to be morally consistent all the time?

[CmdrKing]

You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.

You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.

[sayla0079]

One is a random person who happens to be from the same country as a perceived enemy. The other is an enemy combatant in uniform.

This is going entirely on what DBF said, since it's the first I've heard of the thing with the injured cops. Sounds made up, honestly.

I think it's fairly well established by now, that he specifically is looking for such commentaries and behaviour. Some moron is always going to do what DBF is looking for and he'll use that to extrapolate a general trend and threat. Just stop entertaining his madness already.

Yep. He looks for these things, everyone goes through pages and pages of the same arguments, answers, etc. Says he will drop it until he finds yet another comment of pretty much the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

And he is annoyed with our answers? Broken record, beating a dead horse etc.

How would you feel if it seemed like hatred of cops is reaching a boiling point when a quarter of your family are or were on the force?

Go to therapy. How about that?

Again for the umpteenth time, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS COPS IN THE FAMILY. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE.

Holy shit man. 400 pages on the old one about this very thing. You don't give a shit in what we have to say. This is damned obvious. You don't listen. You don't comprehend anything said.

You repeat the same exact thing over and over again. This is literally continuation of that deleted 400 page post.

Seek therapy. Or go to a real website that is dedicated towards your issues.

I would go out and do something but I am disabled and can really only donate to charity and since I don't handle my own money for the time being, I don't even know what charities are being donated too.

And since I said it seems like hatred of cops is at a boiling point, you should be sympathetic to my concerns since you also have cops in your family.

Again, I am not that worried anymore butt I am frustrated that no one takes the toxic elements of the Left seriously, they just make the occasional video to wag a finger rat the fringe elements.

There are ways to help even if disabled. Being disabled does not mean you have to limit yourself.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.

You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

One is a random person who happens to be from the same country as a perceived enemy. The other is an enemy combatant in uniform.

This is going entirely on what DBF said, since it's the first I've heard of the thing with the injured cops. Sounds made up, honestly.

I think it's fairly well established by now, that he specifically is looking for such commentaries and behaviour. Some moron is always going to do what DBF is looking for and he'll use that to extrapolate a general trend and threat. Just stop entertaining his madness already.

Yep. He looks for these things, everyone goes through pages and pages of the same arguments, answers, etc. Says he will drop it until he finds yet another comment of pretty much the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

And he is annoyed with our answers? Broken record, beating a dead horse etc.

How would you feel if it seemed like hatred of cops is reaching a boiling point when a quarter of your family are or were on the force?

Go to therapy. How about that?

Again for the umpteenth time, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS COPS IN THE FAMILY. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE.

Holy shit man. 400 pages on the old one about this very thing. You don't give a shit in what we have to say. This is damned obvious. You don't listen. You don't comprehend anything said.

You repeat the same exact thing over and over again. This is literally continuation of that deleted 400 page post.

Seek therapy. Or go to a real website that is dedicated towards your issues.

I would go out and do something but I am disabled and can really only donate to charity and since I don't handle my own money for the time being, I don't even know what charities are being donated too.

And since I said it seems like hatred of cops is at a boiling point, you should be sympathetic to my concerns since you also have cops in your family.

Again, I am not that worried anymore butt I am frustrated that no one takes the toxic elements of the Left seriously, they just make the occasional video to wag a finger rat the fringe elements.

There are ways to help even if disabled. Being disabled does not mean you have to limit yourself.

I don't know what to do besides charity.

[CmdrKing]

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

The best, least corrupt cop is still a person whose job is to exercise violence against those they, solely on their own judgement, deem to deserve that violence for infractions against the law. They are further specifically lethally armed.

That is an occupation. That they are sent in greater numbers against the poorest and most vulnerable of society reinforces this fact. They are perceived as an occupying force because they are armed and deployed like one.

Correspondingly, if they wish to be perceived in another light, it is solely incumbent upon them to behave in a manner which builds trust and reduces tensions with the community. They, as the party with state sanctioned power and authority, must be willing to absorb mistrust and, at times, violence unblinking for their capacity to do so is far greater.

Instead time and again we are told by them, or by their agents such as yourself, that every ounce of their blood is worth a dozen lives of citizens caught in their violence, reinforcing the original perception of being subjugated by an occupying force.

The great irony of course is that as a practical matter, leftist organizers are continually cautioning against engaging with police or retaliating against them, and it’s in the absolute thick of a melee that these warnings are sometimes unheeded. Cops meanwhile will default to violence, to justify further violence, as an occupying force will do.

If you wish people to stop using factual descriptions of the police, the police must change the facts.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

The best, least corrupt cop is still a person whose job is to exercise violence against those they, solely on their own judgement, deem to deserve that violence for infractions against the law. They are further specifically lethally armed.

That is an occupation. That they are sent in greater numbers against the poorest and most vulnerable of society reinforces this fact. They are perceived as an occupying force because they are armed and deployed like one.

Correspondingly, if they wish to be perceived in another light, it is solely incumbent upon them to behave in a manner which builds trust and reduces tensions with the community. They, as the party with state sanctioned power and authority, must be willing to absorb mistrust and, at times, violence unblinking for their capacity to do so is far greater.

Instead time and again we are told by them, or by their agents such as yourself, that every ounce of their blood is worth a dozen lives of citizens caught in their violence, reinforcing the original perception of being subjugated by an occupying force.

The great irony of course is that as a practical matter, leftist organizers are continually cautioning against engaging with police or retaliating against them, and it’s in the absolute thick of a melee that these warnings are sometimes unheeded. Cops meanwhile will default to violence, to justify further violence, as an occupying force will do.

If you wish people to stop using factual descriptions of the police, the police must change the facts.

Again, you are missing my point, After a cop is already killed, their death is used as an opportunity to talk about how great BLM is and how bad the police are, even though the murdered officer always had nothing to do with the previous violence.

How is that not disrespectful to the family of the officer?

I really do want to believe that other leftist don't hate my family just for existing and get back to dunking on the right wing but you and others are not helping.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.

You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

Calling them an occupying force is temporally valid under the context. Everything CK is saying about the state sanctioning them with force along with the gravity of their relative position is valid any time of the day though in my opinion. Although the problematic nature of them as a semblance of an occupying force isn't utterly ubiquitous, the fact that they are employed by the government makes it an imminent concern for the interest of the greater public. The fact that there is that pocket of trouble is serious, and that's in spite of how heated protests get or comments exhibited on articles.

Talking about what's going on with the cops being abused is fine. I'm not sure that anyone would disagree. But you're using it as a springboard to invalidate other unrelated agendas like it's all on one small gameboard. The people commenting about cops and blocking them from access to the hospital aren't the same people that are concerned about bigotry towards Russians because different situations attract different protests.

[McAvoy]

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

The best, least corrupt cop is still a person whose job is to exercise violence against those they, solely on their own judgement, deem to deserve that violence for infractions against the law. They are further specifically lethally armed.

That is an occupation. That they are sent in greater numbers against the poorest and most vulnerable of society reinforces this fact. They are perceived as an occupying force because they are armed and deployed like one.

Correspondingly, if they wish to be perceived in another light, it is solely incumbent upon them to behave in a manner which builds trust and reduces tensions with the community. They, as the party with state sanctioned power and authority, must be willing to absorb mistrust and, at times, violence unblinking for their capacity to do so is far greater.

Instead time and again we are told by them, or by their agents such as yourself, that every ounce of their blood is worth a dozen lives of citizens caught in their violence, reinforcing the original perception of being subjugated by an occupying force.

The great irony of course is that as a practical matter, leftist organizers are continually cautioning against engaging with police or retaliating against them, and it’s in the absolute thick of a melee that these warnings are sometimes unheeded. Cops meanwhile will default to violence, to justify further violence, as an occupying force will do.

If you wish people to stop using factual descriptions of the police, the police must change the facts.

Again, you are missing my point, After a cop is already killed, their death is used as an opportunity to talk about how great BLM is and how bad the police are, even though the murdered officer always had nothing to do with the previous violence.

How is that not disrespectful to the family of the officer?

You missed his point entirely. Par for course for you honestly.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.

You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.

I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.

Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.

Calling them an occupying force is temporally valid under the context. Everything CK is saying about the state sanctioning them with force along with the gravity of their relative position is valid any time of the day though in my opinion. Although the problematic nature of them as a semblance of an occupying force isn't utterly ubiquitous, the fact that they are employed by the government makes it an imminent concern for the interest of the greater public. The fact that there is that pocket of trouble is serious, and that's in spite of how heated protests get or comments exhibited on articles.

Talking about what's going on with the cops being abused is fine. I'm not sure that anyone would disagree. But you're using it as a springboard to invalidate other unrelated agendas like it's all on one small gameboard. The people commenting about cops and blocking them from access to the hospital aren't the same people that are concerned about bigotry towards Russians because different situations attract different protests.

But I'm saying people on the Left have done the same thing, using a cop's death as a springboard for their agenda.