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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:53 pm
I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.
Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.
The best, least corrupt cop is still a person whose job is to exercise violence against those they, solely on their own judgement, deem to deserve that violence for infractions against the law. They are further specifically lethally armed.
That is an occupation. That they are sent in greater numbers against the poorest and most vulnerable of society reinforces this fact. They are perceived as an occupying force because they are armed and deployed like one.
Correspondingly, if they wish to be perceived in another light, it is solely incumbent upon them to behave in a manner which builds trust and reduces tensions with the community. They, as the party with state sanctioned power and authority, must be willing to absorb mistrust and, at times, violence unblinking for their capacity to do so is far greater.
Instead time and again we are told by them, or by their agents such as yourself, that every ounce of their blood is worth a dozen lives of citizens caught in their violence, reinforcing the original perception of being subjugated by an occupying force.
The great irony of course is that as a practical matter, leftist organizers are continually cautioning against engaging with police or retaliating against them, and it’s in the absolute thick of a melee that these warnings are sometimes unheeded. Cops meanwhile will default to violence, to justify further violence, as an occupying force will do.
If you wish people to stop using factual descriptions of the police, the police must change the facts.
Again, you are missing my point, After a cop is already killed, their death is used as an opportunity to talk about how great BLM is and how bad the police are, even though the murdered officer always had nothing to do with the previous violence.
How is that not disrespectful to the family of the officer?
You missed his point entirely. Par for course for you honestly.
Then, tell me. Seriously, I want to know. I take no issue with what he said but that's not what I was talking about, I was talking about officers unrelated to police brutality being attacked.
I feel as if the other leftists have a very us vs them idea with the police and the idea that a cop can ever be the victim is unthinkable to them. The issue of cop suicide seems to have completely disappeared from discussion and I bet they think even Blue Help are boot lickers as if they are Blue Lives Matter.
I think the problem is that wile I sympathize with other minorities, I really can't empathize with them do to my inability to think of any situation, baring the most extreme ones, where someone would resort to violence or do these other horrible things brought on by anger and hate. And the fact I have cops in my family makes me empathize with them easier, despite me being completely against the institution as it is, today.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:59 am
You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.
You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.
I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.
Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.
Calling them an occupying force is temporally valid under the context. Everything CK is saying about the state sanctioning them with force along with the gravity of their relative position is valid any time of the day though in my opinion. Although the problematic nature of them as a semblance of an occupying force isn't utterly ubiquitous, the fact that they are employed by the government makes it an imminent concern for the interest of the greater public. The fact that there is that pocket of trouble is serious, and that's in spite of how heated protests get or comments exhibited on articles.
Talking about what's going on with the cops being abused is fine. I'm not sure that anyone would disagree. But you're using it as a springboard to invalidate other unrelated agendas like it's all on one small gameboard. The people commenting about cops and blocking them from access to the hospital aren't the same people that are concerned about bigotry towards Russians because different situations attract different protests.
But I'm saying people on the Left have done the same thing, using a cop's death as a springboard for their agenda.
And how does that make it okay for you to do it? I just said they were wrong, and now you're using them to validate your own doing of it?
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:59 am
You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.
You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.
I was about to stop after realizing myself some of the stuff you said but it's about innocent cops, none of the cops murdered since police brutality became a big issue seven years ago, had nothing to do with the misconduct of other officers. And yet, their deaths are used to talk about how horrible the cops are instead of keeping the topic about the dead officer.
Calling them an occupying force dehumanizes them, at least to me, when again, I have officers in my family.
Calling them an occupying force is temporally valid under the context. Everything CK is saying about the state sanctioning them with force along with the gravity of their relative position is valid any time of the day though in my opinion. Although the problematic nature of them as a semblance of an occupying force isn't utterly ubiquitous, the fact that they are employed by the government makes it an imminent concern for the interest of the greater public. The fact that there is that pocket of trouble is serious, and that's in spite of how heated protests get or comments exhibited on articles.
Talking about what's going on with the cops being abused is fine. I'm not sure that anyone would disagree. But you're using it as a springboard to invalidate other unrelated agendas like it's all on one small gameboard. The people commenting about cops and blocking them from access to the hospital aren't the same people that are concerned about bigotry towards Russians because different situations attract different protests.
But I'm saying people on the Left have done the same thing, using a cop's death as a springboard for their agenda.
And how does that make it okay for you to do it? I just said they were wrong, and now you're using them to validate your own doing of it?
I didn't realize I was doing it, I don't know how to talk about the cops suffering without doing that.
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:44 pm
I didn't realize I was doing it, I don't know how to talk about the cops suffering without doing that.
But you're having us answer for them time and again.
You recognize that this place you're talking at has a left wing presence, you do what you say you see people doing that you don't like, and you effectively recreate the situation.
In my opinion you talk primarily about what the left is paying attention to (and work to question THAT) a lot more than the issue of the cops being attacked itself. Your conversations here only reflect the perceived hypocrisy that is at the same time a product of your undoing.
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:44 pm
I didn't realize I was doing it, I don't know how to talk about the cops suffering without doing that.
But you're having us answer for them time and again.
You recognize that this place you're talking at has a left wing presence, you do what you say you see people doing that you don't like, and you effectively recreate the situation.
In my opinion you talk primarily about what the left is paying attention to (and work to question THAT) a lot more than the issue of the cops being attacked itself. Your conversations here only reflect the perceived hypocrisy that is at the same time a product of your undoing.
I don't know how to do this right, there are plenty of stuff the right wing does that I want to talk about but I just find it extremely hard to empathize with the people against the police as they are in my family. I don't know if it is my autism that makes me unable to care about both issues equally.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:59 am
You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.
You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.
to be clear, are you saying killing a cop unrelated to a case of police brutality is justified just because they are part of the same organization and it's okay to use coverage of their deaths as a springboard to talk about BLM, instead of about them?
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:59 am
You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.
You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.
to be clear, are you saying killing a cop unrelated to a case of police brutality is justified just because they are part of the same organization and it's okay to use coverage of their deaths as a springboard to talk about BLM, instead of about them?
She said that you were wrong to equate the Russia and Cop situations, not that steering the conversation is ever justified.
You asked why it's okay to report on the Russia situation when reporting on abused cops gets interrupted. CK said that the Russian victims aren't a divisive issue because nobody is confusing them with beating people to death with impunity.
That simply explains why people aren't interrupting the news about Russian victims, not that interruptions okay in one situation but not the other.
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:43 pm
Honestly at this point I just straight-up don't believe that's a thing that happened. If it had you would have given us a source by now.
Finally found the fucking video from The Young Turk's ridiculously huge backlog. They cover the case of the two LA county deputies who were shot in their car and blocked from entering the ER. They say they are so appealed at what happened but twice pivoted to talking about how there is evidence of gangs being integrated into the Sherriff's department, as if that has anything to do with the situation.
Even if they are genuine about how they feel about the officers being shot, as I have engaged in it myself, I know for a fact their own community will not listen and in fact, embrace the rhetoric of the people blocking the ER sentence, they already have.
And I couldn't find the article again but there was also an article that was saying how bad Blue Lives Matter was that came out RIGHT AFTER the Baton Rouge cop killings.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:59 am
You’ve equated a violent occupying force (the police) with people who fled Russia (or whose ancestors did so) specifically because they no longer wished to be party to Russia’s imperialist actions, and wonder why no one else finds these two vastly different things being treated differently hypocritical.
You’re making shit up (via deliberately seeking out outliers) to avoid having to think, actually THINK, about the world and why people have the reactions they do about your pet issue. You’re denying everyone but yourself internality and complexity of thought.
to be clear, are you saying killing a cop unrelated to a case of police brutality is justified just because they are part of the same organization and it's okay to use coverage of their deaths as a springboard to talk about BLM, instead of about them?
She said that you were wrong to equate the Russia and Cop situations, not that steering the conversation is ever justified.
You asked why it's okay to report on the Russia situation when reporting on abused cops gets interrupted. CK said that the Russian victims aren't a divisive issue because nobody is confusing them with beating people to death with impunity.
That simply explains why people aren't interrupting the news about Russian victims, not that interruptions okay in one situation but not the other.
Okay, I get that now. And I know I shouldn't have brought this up but it only continued beyond the first few posts because it seemed like people were still dismissive of my issues.
