The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Madner Kami]

The russian army largely doesn't return their dead home. They're either left where they died or are burried in belarussian soil. An example of that are the seven busses full of troops from Chernobyl. First they are ordered to dig and man trenches in the "Red Forest" one of the most heavily contaminated areas near the plant (plus generally gallivanting around bad areas without protective gear) and only after three weeks of mysterious hairloss, gum-bleeding and otherwise feeling unwell, they're evacuated to Belarus for treament, where they'll be left to die. They're technically radioactive waste by now...

Best part? If the Russians hadn't begun a general retreat from Northern Ukraine, they'd still be there in the forest and probably would remain there for the rest of their miserable lives and beyond...

That is Russia. An individual has no worth there. A proper fashist system, we just hadn't fully realized it and hoped for it to be better. At least the russian Nation has signed their death-warrant with this action, as this is the last war they could have aforded and Ukraine making them pay this hard, sealed the deal...


youtu.be/k3yPQZWAVEg

[phantom000]

At least 5,000 Civilian Deaths in Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-07/ ... c_news_web

The Russian withdraw from Kyiv makes me think of Winston Churchill;

“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

[Madner Kami]

At least 5,000 Civilian Deaths in Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-07/ ... c_news_web

That number will grow. A lot. Once indipendent investigations are possible anyways. Over a 1,000 were killed in mostly rural northern Ukraine already alone and they're still assessing the situation in the previously occupied zones. And then there's also the people who were forced to flee through the russian-organized "escape" corridors, because the russians kept shooting at the ukrainian escape routes, straight into Russia and straight into an uncertain future, if not oblivion.

The Russian withdraw from Kyiv makes me think of Winston Churchill;

“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

Yup, Russia will dig in hard in the east and South and once Mariupol is occupied (they are still fighting there... 5 weeks later, street by street, house by house, room by room), they might try to encircle the forces currently fighting in the Donbas. This can get a whole lot more nasty still, particularly because they're intensifying their bombardements by both plane and artillery every day.

Here are three tweets with footage from current Mariupol (no graphic violence in either):

Russkiy mir (The Russian World) in its full beauty (Btw that writing on the pavement next to the destroyed house at 1:11? It translates to "Children!" and was intended to warn pilots. They still dropped bombs on this theatre... Yes. This is that theatre.)

This is what Mariupol looks like, thanks to the beasts of Russia…

#Mariupol #MariupolMassacre

How anyone at all can survive that is completely beyond me.

[phantom000]

The Russian withdraw from Kyiv makes me think of Winston Churchill;

“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

Yup, Russia will dig in hard in the east and South and once Mariupol is occupied (they are still fighting there... 5 weeks later, street by street, house by house, room by room), they might try to encircle the forces currently fighting in the Donbas. This can get a whole lot more nasty still, particularly because they're intensifying their bombardements by both plane and artillery every day.

I hesitate making predictions but it seems like Putin has given up trying to seize all of Ukraine and is focusing on annexing the eastern regions. I heard Putin wanted a Korea like situation in Ukraine, but it seems more likely that part of Eastern Ukraine will be absorbed into the Russian Federation, or at most a satellite nation like Poland during the Soviet Era.

[Draco Dracul]

Not really sure how it could bring down the country - are there that many significant internal divisions it could split over? The government, hopefully, although with the population still only receiving the drivel that the government spouts and apparently lots believing it I think it'll be a long time, if ever, that many will even accept that they've done anything wrong or made any mistakes.

The amount of dead and economic devastation isn't quite as easy to cover up.

The number of dead is fairly easy to cover up when you've got complete control of the media and they're scattered across a huge number of towns, cities, and villages. Just round up as "traitors" any attempt at getting them to compare notes.

The economic devastation will just get blamed on hostile Western aggression. Complete crap but that's Russia for you.

It could be blamed on western agression and still end the current government, it's just that it would probably go from she democracy to explicit military Junta.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think a lot of that matters on democratic facets that Russia operates in spite of.

[Madner Kami]

No dictatorship can work without the consent of the vast majority of the population.

[CharlesPhipps]

Honestly, the atrocities Putin is carrying out is increasingly making it so that the Ukraine will probably want to retake those Eastern provinces when they might have been more willing to budge earlier. The Lend Lease program provides the Ukraine now with what they needed most now -- which is superior weapons.

[Madner Kami]

Honestly, the atrocities Putin is carrying out is increasingly making it so that the Ukraine will probably want to retake those Eastern provinces when they might have been more willing to budge earlier. The Lend Lease program provides the Ukraine now with what they needed most now -- which is superior weapons.

Things moved even one step further already:

NATO states agree to supply heavy weapons to Ukraine

Meaning, tanks and armored vehicles for air defence purposes are on the table now. The Czech Republic has already sent some unmodernized T72s and BMPs to Ukraine several days before this announcement. But: Shit needs to get there fast or it will be too late for the upcoming April-offensive in the east. If Australia does indeed part ways with their Abrams, they can be in place in 15 days. Not enough time to get the Ukrainians educated on their use, but early enough to drop them into Poland (who want to switch over to Abrams anyways and were only waiting for the US' OK on that matter for a while now) and send some of the polish T72s towards Ukraine instead.

[Frustration]

The UN is voting to remove Russia from its human rights council. (The mind boggles at the idea that it was on it in the first place.) But I say that isn't enough.

Russia needs to be taken off the Security Council for this ridiculous war.