Al-1701 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:30 pm
There's also the problem you're ignoring. This episode was short at about 39 minutes even with all of this. It was just long enough to not just be included in other episodes, so corporate mandates probably came down on them. And CBS is notorious for manufactured tension (and weaponizing vehicles for that matter).
Well gee.. if only they had like 2 useless subplots they could have removed to get more screen time...
And the biobed actually makes sense when it was Jurati that healed the cop and they don't have access to her at the moment and they don't have time to try to hunt her down. Raffi was also the one who watched Elnor die on that bed, so hoping for the best isn't something she's going to risk Picard on. And it brings the doctor from the clinic back into the picture.
Raffi already tried to use the biobed in that episode. It's clear that you don't need Jurati to operate the biobed. And I distinctly recall Rios dismissing the idea not because they couldn't contact Jurati but because "biobed is not doctor". And remember, Picard is a SYNTHETIC, he's not a human! Do they even know what he looks like under the skin? Why would a 21st century human doctor be able to repair 24th century technology as opposed to... a 24th century medical technology?
And the ICE plot and Raffi and Seven tearing through L.A. in a stole police car are called "fun and games" which are misadventures that don't necessarily advance the plot but offer some entertainment for the audience to introduce them to the new world the characters are in and how they interact with it.
If you think that the "action" scene with Seven and Jurati learning how to drive a stolen police car through LA with more scene cuts than Taken 3, where 2/3 of the scenes are just close-ups of the two actresses and the car, drawing unnecessary attention to themselves after knowing not to do that because they might alter the timeline too much and finally getting beamed away right under the view of a dozen police officers (which no doubt would have body cameras) which they really didn't want to, then I guess you have a different definition of "fun" than others.
Actually, I think you're the one who has a different definition of fun from others. We were promised wacky Trek in modern times antics. We got wacky Trek in modern times antics. You and Frustration are the only people on here screaming bloody murder at seemingly every minute of Nu Trek.
Wacky, whacky, I unfortunately don't have the ability to form or properly discern voiceless labial-velar approximates from the voiced kind. Also, Firefox swears at me when I spell it "whacky".
Mabus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:47 pmRaffi already tried to use the biobed in that episode. It's clear that you don't need Jurati to operate the biobed. And I distinctly recall Rios dismissing the idea not because they couldn't contact Jurati but because "biobed is not doctor". And remember, Picard is a SYNTHETIC, he's not a human! Do they even know what he looks like under the skin? Why would a 21st century human doctor be able to repair 24th century technology as opposed to... a 24th century medical technology?
Come to think of that, how did Soji, Dahj and Co evade detection during transportation and routine health inspections? Details of the procedure are vague, but apparently "fractal neuronic cloning" results in the creation of "twin androids out of biological material". Wait what?
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Mabus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:47 pmRaffi already tried to use the biobed in that episode. It's clear that you don't need Jurati to operate the biobed. And I distinctly recall Rios dismissing the idea not because they couldn't contact Jurati but because "biobed is not doctor". And remember, Picard is a SYNTHETIC, he's not a human! Do they even know what he looks like under the skin? Why would a 21st century human doctor be able to repair 24th century technology as opposed to... a 24th century medical technology?
Come to think of that, how did Soji, Dahj and Co evade detection during transportation and routine health inspections? Details of the procedure are vague, but apparently "fractal neuronic cloning" results in the creation of "twin androids out of biological material". Wait what?
Well I believe there was a TNG episode where Soong's wife, who was an android, managed to fool sensors that she was a biological being. Though she was still mechanical on the inside. Never understood how Soji and her android brethren were constructed, because it was never explained. Based on the little information from the show, this new type of android is just artificially constructed flesh, which may or may not be protein-based like our flesh. They never explained it clearly, probably because no one on the show bothered too much with the little details (they're literally "cloning" computer circuitry, so that should give an idea how little they spent on internal consistency).
As for how they managed to avoid detection during health inspections, I assume the same biomimicking tech could fool advanced Romulan sensors (a bit stretched, but whatever), while for transporters... maybe she never used them? Maybe she had an implanted subconscious command that forced her to have a fear of transporter? I don't know, they never bother to clarify the little details.
I don't have a problem to come up with fan theories for minor plot holes in the show, but if I have to come up with explanations for every... single... fucking... time the writers screw up, then I might as well write the script for them. But then again, when Kurtzman made The Mummy 2017, Tom Cruise pretty much took over directing the film from Kurtzman, because the latter had no experience directing large blockbusters. So maybe they should bring in Tom Cruise to save the franchise, I don't know.
I don't want to hate Akiva Goldsman. He's not a delusional egomaniac with the IQ of crabgrass like Kurtzman. He seems genuinely humble, wanting to be a better writer, and actually interested in Trek in interviews. I get the impression that he's a genuinely decent person.
But my god, the guy just CANNOT write to save his life. I hate to say it, but he should find a new job.
This show is a mess. You have standout performances from Ryan, Cabrera, and Stewart, decent performances from Hurd, DeLancie, and that woman playing Picard's love interest, and Spiner's at least having fun, and some godawful work from Jurati's actress and Briones (who's like a plank of wood). The plot is more Star Trek: Jurati than Star Trek: Picard.
Picard: Stewart no longer has the vocal projection for a proper Picard speech, but he's still Patrick f***ing Stewart, so he's working every line like the master he is. It's just...the romance is tepid, the plot is going a way I don't like, and he only gets a couple of minutes of personal script to really flex his Picard muscles with each episode, at best.
Seven: Jeri Ryan is Stewart level good. Watching her be Seven is like watching Nimoy play Spock after major character growth but still being Spock. This woman deserves to have more work. Unfortunately, she doesn't have much to work with right now because all of Seven's stuff is being given to Jurati.
Rios: Cabrera is also severely underused and immensely talented. I hated the obligatory "minority character suffers so white idiot from New York writer can preach at us" arc. But when he gets room to work, Cabrera is a master. Excellent physicality, face work, vocal performance and delivery. He needs more work.
Jurati: The most annoying being in the universe, like if Archer shot up a processed slurry of Neelix and Wesley Crusher. Horrible actress too. The writers' pet. I hope she gets shot to protect the timeline. Can't believe they stole plot elements from KOTFE/KOTET for her.
Raffi: She's finally stopped being a belligerent jerk so Hurd can work. Jurati easily eclipsed her in annoying even at her worst, though.
Elnor: Poor actor, all that time in makeup is not worth this.
New Soji Clone: Even the writers don't think Briones can act. Also their treknobabble is bad science even by treknobabble standards
Q: Don't really like what they're doing with him. DeLancie is working his butt off though.
New Soong: Spiner gets to overact to prove he can. I guess he's insecure. He's having fun though, so I don't mind.
Plot: If the gist of the season is "we should hear the Borg out!" I'm gonna scream. This is not a case where diplomacy is even appropriate.
Minor characters: New Guinan was fine, but I'm tired of the "obligatory navel gazing about how bad the world is" scene. I want my Star Trek to be "Laverne Cox runs around the galaxy saving the day with her band of friends on a spaceship and nobody cares that she's black and trans", not "Laverne Cox is beaten half to death for being trans and everybody stands around moping about how the world sucks". I guess Discovery SHOULD be more my speed but it's written by a delusional egomaniac with the IQ of crabgrass, so...
Effects: Less irritating than last season.
The not!Terran Empire: Yawn. Casting Seven's evil hubby was inside baseball and just confusing until I went to Memory Alpha. It's another rote space Nazi regime. Just use the Terran Empire ffs.
Worffan101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:17 pm
The not!Terran Empire: Yawn. Casting Seven's evil hubby was inside baseball and just confusing until I went to Memory Alpha. It's another rote space Nazi regime. Just use the Terran Empire ffs.
I think they may have actually planned to use the Terran Empire but then somebody went "But the Terran Empire collapsed in DS9." So they replaced it.
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Worffan101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:17 pm
The not!Terran Empire: Yawn. Casting Seven's evil hubby was inside baseball and just confusing until I went to Memory Alpha. It's another rote space Nazi regime. Just use the Terran Empire ffs.
I think they may have actually planned to use the Terran Empire but then somebody went "But the Terran Empire collapsed in DS9." So they replaced it.
They could've easily handwaved it with 2 lines of dialogue. "We retook Earth but the old ways returned with the liberation" or something.
Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:09 pm
Episode 6:
-Yeah, sure, they're totally gonna kill Picard in the middle of the season! In his own show! With the third season greenlit! And already filmed! With the entire TNG cast returning! Yeah sure, I'll totally be on the edge of my seat worried that Picard might not make it. Fuck off Alex Kurtzman! Who are you trying to fool?
You are joking right? You are complaining about this? Of the 100 years of TV shows, where a show has the lead looking like he or she might be killed in their own show in the middle of a season, you are going to complain about this?
What is your problem again? I don't get it. It's like everyone has to agree with everything. And if they don't, then some people can't enjoy the show or something? Here's the thing: if a show is bad, but the creators keep doubling down and make it worse, than we're just supposed to just give up calling it bad? We have to lie to ourselves that it's great because the creators of the show would rather eat glass than give us a better show? Ever considered that maybe if people keep complaining about the quality the show, maybe there's a kernel of truth in there?
Are you the kind of person who tells people to stop complaining about any defects in a product they bought or received because seem to come across as people that only like to complain? Because guess what: Trek a product. And if the product is bad, customers will complain. And if the manufacturer refuses to fix the issues, then people will continue to complain. Ever heard of Amy's Baking Company and how they responded to criticism of their company's products and practices? How they pretty much told everyone that criticized their shitty company practices that they're "haters" and how everyone is against them. Sounds very similar to how Paramount and NuTrek producers have behaved since 2017.
And why do you care more about what I have to say about the show than the show itself? You can post what you like or dislike about the show since that's why this place exists. I post what I dislike and like, and everyone does the exact same thing. My beef is the quality of the show, and I don't care what other people think. It's their opinion and I respect that. So what is your problem again? And don't tell me "negativity", "hate" or some other bullshit, if I dislike something about a show I will post that because... wait, why shouldn't I? Is there any law forbidding me?
Now about the scene with Picard, yes, showing the main character in jeopardy when it's clear that nothing will happen to him it's ridiculous and it's lazy writing. In fact, it's the laziest form of trying to create tension. The fact that the writers are investing an entire episode into that, thinking that we'll somehow take it seriously it's a clear indication that they think the audience is made of morons. If this was any other character from the show, things would have been a bit differently, but when I saw that it was Picard, I couldn't shop laughing since it was just that absurd.
Cool story bro. How about what is wrong with you? You offended that someone doesn't agree with your criticisms?
Who said anything about lying here?
What I see from you when you post something like Picard being in danger is that you are looking for something to complain about. Your episode breakdowns are nothing but complaints.
It's called a trope for a reason. Even Chuck has mentioned it in his reviews before. It has been done in countless TV shows, in countless episodes and will keep doing it.
The point of this trope is not to trick you into thinking they will kill off the character. If someone actually believes that is the writer's intent has no clue. The trope is a framing device and it always has been. At the basics, that a child even would understand after watching Saturday cartoons or reading comics is that it is how will the hero get himself out of that situation.
There is so many ways to write a episode where the main cast or one of them is danger where it sets something else up.
You call it lazy writing because that is what you are looking for. That's it. I don't have a problem. But maybe you do.
