Florida governor refuses to recognise transgender swimmer

[clearspira]

So you don't think that women want places where they can retreat from men, and get instant backup if they're followed?

There's no history of men claiming to be transgender going into restrooms to assault women. It's a complete transphobic fantasy used to cause real harm to transgender women, and it's why I'm suspicious whenever I see people like you talking about athletic ability, because it's never really about the athletes. Sooner or later you show your true colors and pull the Man-in-a-Dress changing room boogeyman card.

I read one case where this actually happened. I think it was about a man dressing up as a woman and using his purse to videotape women using the toilet. Maybe I can dig it up. Been awhile.

That's the only case I know of.

The whole bathroom bullshit is way overblown. Women jump into male bathrooms all the time. No one is clamoring that is incredibly dangerous.

Because women don't rape men.

"Ooh! Let me pull out of my ass this one story of this one woman who..."

Yeah, whatever. 99.9% of women do not rape men.

Which is why, btw, there very, VERY few FTM who are loudly saying they want to use male toilets, changing rooms or prisons. It's always the other way around... what a... coincidence. Yes, that's the word.

There's no noise because they there isn't a whole loud hate movement trying to stop them. They just do it and nobody cares.

That's the UK definition of rape where it's physiologically impossible for a cis woman to rape anyone, I assume?

Legally a woman cannot rape a man in the UK that is correct. If she uses a broom handle or something it carries the charge of "assault by penetration."

[Frustration]

Ooh, I wondered how long it would be before the slur 'TERF' was brought up again.

[hammerofglass]

Ooh, I wondered how long it would be before the slur 'TERF' was brought up again.

TERF has never been a slur, it's what they used to call themselves until too many people learned what it meant. They're going to be claiming "Gender Critical" is a slur pretty soon for the same reason.

I mean it was always kind of a misnomer, hardly any of them even claim to be feminists.

[clearspira]

So you don't think that women want places where they can retreat from men, and get instant backup if they're followed?

There's no history of men claiming to be transgender going into restrooms to assault women. It's a complete transphobic fantasy used to cause real harm to transgender women, and it's why I'm suspicious whenever I see people like you talking about athletic ability, because it's never really about the athletes. Sooner or later you show your true colors and pull the Man-in-a-Dress changing room boogeyman card.

I read one case where this actually happened. I think it was about a man dressing up as a woman and using his purse to videotape women using the toilet. Maybe I can dig it up. Been awhile.

That's the only case I know of.

The whole bathroom bullshit is way overblown. Women jump into male bathrooms all the time. No one is clamoring that is incredibly dangerous.

Because women don't rape men.

"Ooh! Let me pull out of my ass this one story of this one woman who..."

Yeah, whatever. 99.9% of women do not rape men.

Which is why, btw, there very, VERY few FTM who are loudly saying they want to use male toilets, changing rooms or prisons. It's always the other way around... what a... coincidence. Yes, that's the word.

I mean that's because all the media attention is on trans women. One of the big ways that trans men are discriminated against is by invisible, thier issues are basically never brought up except when TERFs are infantilizing them. Trans men do use men's restrooms, locker rooms, etc.

The reason trans women bring it up is that the media hyper focuses on us. I mean fuck there have been repeated cases where trans men dominating women's sports have been used as justification for banning trans women from women's sports. Pro tip the guy that won all those women's wrestling events in Texas, he was actually gendered correctly by the media because he is a trans man who wanted to compete in men's wrestling.

I will agree with you that transmen are invisible in our society but I do not agree that it is thanks to deliberate discrimination. A transman with short hair and ''male'' clothes looks far closer to being a male than a heavy-set transwoman in a dress looks like she is female. Or at worst, it'll be assumed that she is a lesbian.

This is also very much indicative of what its like to be a cisgendered man or woman. Social media is a perfect example. They've done studies on this: the average woman receives 5X the Likes of the average man. A woman who is 7 or above will receive Likes in their tens of thousands and the comments will be brimming with positive comments and validation. Meanwhile... here I am... still nursing the one compliment I recieved like five years ago...

Basically what I am saying is that transmen are complaining about being treated as men.

[Frustration]

TERF has never been a slur, it's what they used to call themselves until too many people learned what it meant.

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k- ... er-issues/

Immediately, activists who clearly believe themselves to be good, kind and progressive people swarmed back into my timeline, assuming a right to police my speech, accuse me of hatred, call me misogynistic slurs and, above all – as every woman involved in this debate will know – TERF.

If you didn’t already know – and why should you? – ‘TERF’ is an acronym coined by trans activists, which stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. In practice, a huge and diverse cross-section of women are currently being called TERFs and the vast majority have never been radical feminists.

[hammerofglass]

TERF has never been a slur, it's what they used to call themselves until too many people learned what it meant.

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k- ... er-issues/

Immediately, activists who clearly believe themselves to be good, kind and progressive people swarmed back into my timeline, assuming a right to police my speech, accuse me of hatred, call me misogynistic slurs and, above all – as every woman involved in this debate will know – TERF.

If you didn’t already know – and why should you? – ‘TERF’ is an acronym coined by trans activists, which stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. In practice, a huge and diverse cross-section of women are currently being called TERFs and the vast majority have never been radical feminists.

I see your mediocre writer and raise you a trans man with a Psychology PhD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Avcp-e4bOs

[Frustration]

You're seriously going to offer someone with a psychology PhD as evidence they know what they're talking about?

I know better than that.

[hammerofglass]

Come on man, you're usually way better at this. That deflection was just sad.

[Frustration]

In order to become a psychoanalyst, one must first be 'successfully' psychoanalyzed. In order to be 'successfully' psychoanalyzed, one must end all resistance to the treatment - which consists of swallowing the assertions behind it hook, line, and sinker.

I am not impressed by people who have drunk the FlavorAid. I am more impressed by the one man who demonstrated that the dogma about gender identity being fluid and determined by upbringing was a lie than by the countless authorities who fell for that lie and repeated it everywhere.

[hammerofglass]

In order to become a psychoanalyst, one must first be 'successfully' psychoanalyzed. In order to be 'successfully' psychoanalyzed, one must end all resistance to the treatment - which consists of swallowing the assertions behind it hook, line, and sinker.

I am not impressed by people who have drunk the FlavorAid. I am more impressed by the one man who demonstrated that the dogma about gender identity being fluid and determined by upbringing was a lie than by the countless authorities who fell for that lie and repeated it everywhere.

Milton Diamond is his name if you're actually interested. He was calling it out way back in the 60s.

But yeah, fuck John Money and every nightmare he spawned with that bullshit. Totally with you there. Conversion therapy and sex reassignment on intersex newborns came from him too based on that same lie (others added to both but he built the foundation).

Also you seem to have the science of Psychology and the discredited Psychiatric practice of Psychoanalysis mixed up. They have nothing to do with each other.