Star Trek: Picard Season 2

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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pmCome to think of that, how did Soji, Dahj and Co evade detection during transportation and routine health inspections? Details of the procedure are vague, but apparently "fractal neuronic cloning" results in the creation of "twin androids out of biological material". Wait what?
Good technobabble creates the illusion of futuristic science and technology. Bad technobabble is a quick patch for shoddy plotting.

Which category is this writing an example of, I wonder?
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Frustration wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:52 pm
Madner Kami wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pmCome to think of that, how did Soji, Dahj and Co evade detection during transportation and routine health inspections? Details of the procedure are vague, but apparently "fractal neuronic cloning" results in the creation of "twin androids out of biological material". Wait what?
Good technobabble creates the illusion of futuristic science and technology. Bad technobabble is a quick patch for shoddy plotting.

Which category is this writing an example of, I wonder?
I always thought that good technobabble was something that actually meant something when you dissected it. Like an inverse magnetic field, a field that repels metal instead of attracting it.
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No, that's stupid. There's nothing you can do to a magnetic field that would cause it to repel metal it would normally attract.
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It would just attract the other end of the metal. Ever seen a magnet spin?

Really, it's the problem with unscientific people trying to write scientifically. They didn't need to come up with technobabble in the original series because you had writers who actually understood science. When the characters were going to do something scientific, they explained what they were doing in plain terms.

Even the more fantastical technology had basic language explaining it. Photon torpedoes hold an anti-matter warhead. Phaser literally stands for PHASed Energy Rectification. Warp drives warp space to move objects at faster than light speeds (since space and expand and contract faster than light.

I would like to see technobabble go the way of the dinosaurs. It's really infuriating when they use it for things that have an established scientific explanation and terminology. Like "nucleo-genic particles" from Caretaker. They're called cloud condensation nuclei and a planet not having them means there are no solid particulates in the atmosphere and no means for solid particulates to get into the atmosphere. The Caretaker really screwed up to pull that off.
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Al-1701 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:25 pm It would just attract the other end of the metal. Ever seen a magnet spin?

Really, it's the problem with unscientific people trying to write scientifically. They didn't need to come up with technobabble in the original series because you had writers who actually understood science. When the characters were going to do something scientific, they explained what they were doing in plain terms.

Even the more fantastical technology had basic language explaining it. Photon torpedoes hold an anti-matter warhead. Phaser literally stands for PHASed Energy Rectification. Warp drives warp space to move objects at faster than light speeds (since space and expand and contract faster than light.

I would like to see technobabble go the way of the dinosaurs. It's really infuriating when they use it for things that have an established scientific explanation and terminology. Like "nucleo-genic particles" from Caretaker. They're called cloud condensation nuclei and a planet not having them means there are no solid particulates in the atmosphere and no means for solid particulates to get into the atmosphere. The Caretaker really screwed up to pull that off.
Super conductors repel magnetic fields. That's the only think I know that does off hand. My basic electricity knowledge has dropped off pretty bad.

I think techno babble has its place. As long as it makes sense. Like in the real world, usually you can tell what someone is saying even if you don't understand the concept of how it works.

Like what a tensiometer does. Tension meter, like measuring the tension of a cable. Then you may not have a clue like what a digital megger does until you look it up. But that is common enough use across many fields.

Then you could ask me what the hell is a TFE731 DEEC unit.

I have yet to see a tool or a test unit or part that makes absolutely no sense.
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Al-1701 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:25 pm It would just attract the other end of the metal.
*facepalm*

No, it would just attract the metal.
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So how many of you thought the resolution to the Picard's Mom plotline was going to be she's a crazy lady?
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McAvoy wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:34 am Cool story bro. How about what is wrong with you? You offended that someone doesn't agree with your criticisms?
Have you noticed that I don't attack people for liking the show? Because I don't care what people enjoy or not. I only question the way the show is written and respond when feel I wasn't clear enough. In fact, you're the one that keeps having some issue with what I criticize.
What I see from you when you post something like Picard being in danger is that you are looking for something to complain about. Your episode breakdowns are nothing but complaints.
I mean... if the show is shit... you want me to lie by saying that it's OK (which BTW is a lie) and not complain? Or what, shut up? Why? Is it illegal? How? I see bad writing, I speak about bad writing. If the show is a continuous stream of shitty writing, I will write as much as I see fit.
It's called a trope for a reason. Even Chuck has mentioned it in his reviews before. It has been done in countless TV shows, in countless episodes and will keep doing it.

The point of this trope is not to trick you into thinking they will kill off the character. If someone actually believes that is the writer's intent has no clue. The trope is a framing device and it always has been. At the basics, that a child even would understand after watching Saturday cartoons or reading comics is that it is how will the hero get himself out of that situation.
You know what else is a trope? Fridging, which Picard did it last season and it was pathetic. Bond Villain Stupidity, which was also done in the previous season (when Narek tried to kill Soji) and it was laughable. Comic Book Death? Literally what happened to Picard in the S1 finale. These are tropes. But they're bad tropes. Why? Because they're lazy. The writers don't have to spend any effort on writing anything more complex and instead they just throw in generic lines and story, because they can't be arsed to write anything better. Just because TV shows keep doing bad tropes, doesn't mean they aren't bad. If anything it indicates nothing but the show is creatively bankrupt

And the whole Picard is in danger contributed to literally nothing, so why the fuck did the writers kept it? I'll tell you why, because they think the audience are a bunch of morons that will gobble anything. And sadly, sometimes they're right.
You call it lazy writing because that is what you are looking for. That's it. I don't have a problem. But maybe you do.
Ad hominem much? And yes you have a problem. You are bothered by the fact that I complain. I write short texts, you get bothered. I write long texts, you're still bothered. You don't want to read them, fine, I'm not forcing you. I'm not looking here for people to agree or disagree with my points. I post stuff because I feel I want to post. I feel like there's a lot to complain, I will post about it. Seems like you are looking for excuses to complain, about my complaining, thinking you're gonna achieve something.
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I used to think that producers hired shills to promote their shoddy work.

Lately, I've realized that they don't have to.
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So... what did I just watch?
Half the episode is spent on twisting (or not?) the fact that Picard's Cylon dad wasn't abusive (or was he?) and actually his mom had some unspecified mental issue, which is why Cylon dad kept her in the basement? What, they don't have mental health treatment in the future? I don't even know what's going on.

And then Jurati needs more endorphin rush to accelerate the assimilation process? Weird, cause in "Regeneration", even century-old damaged Borg drones could assimilate people in minutes, and their nanoprobes were still repairing their cells and circuitry when they did that, so they were in an even worse state than Jurati's.

And then the Observer reveals that she's actually a Romulan? I don't even know what to make of that.
Although nothing beats the scene with Millennial Guinan. Didn't she close her bar earlier and left? Or she changed her mind? Apparently now all El-Aurians can use magical drinking bottles to do magic, because Guinan was a bartender. And now all El-Aurians can do drinking bottle magic, to summon the Q... OK. But the moment the entire bar turned into Poltergeist I literally laughed out loud, since I have no idea what happened there.

If there's one way to describe this episode is confusing and amusing. An unintentional comedy.
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