Texas Attorny General bans Pride

[clearspira]

I’m of the mind that there are a lot of walks of conservative life that have indifference to the idea of CRT coming into schools. It’s not just a matter of white supremacists lol

The nation is built on at least passive white supremacy, consciously or not that's what conservatives want to conserve.

It's a watered down connection. There's a public responsibility to make dues I'd say, but white supremacy is a bit of a confirmation bias to apply to everyone that has reactionary leaning.

This is how I imagine that lefties imagine conservatives. Sitting there as they do, plotting to bring back white supremacy.


''Gentlemen to evil''

[Draco Dracul]

I’m of the mind that there are a lot of walks of conservative life that have indifference to the idea of CRT coming into schools. It’s not just a matter of white supremacists lol

The nation is built on at least passive white supremacy, consciously or not that's what conservatives want to conserve.

It's a watered down connection. There's a public responsibility to make dues I'd say, but white supremacy is a bit of a confirmation bias to apply to everyone that has reactionary leaning.

White supremacy is built into the very foundation of this country. It might not be the prime motivation, but fighting for a return to the past or even to maintain the status quo is at least in part fighting for white supremacy.

[Draco Dracul]

I’m of the mind that there are a lot of walks of conservative life that have indifference to the idea of CRT coming into schools. It’s not just a matter of white supremacists lol

The nation is built on at least passive white supremacy, consciously or not that's what conservatives want to conserve.

It's a watered down connection. There's a public responsibility to make dues I'd say, but white supremacy is a bit of a confirmation bias to apply to everyone that has reactionary leaning.

This is how I imagine that lefties imagine conservatives. Sitting there as they do, plotting to bring back white supremacy.


''Gentlemen to evil''

Personally I think most conservative voters are products of thier circumstance and the ubiquitous propaganda in thier lives. People are not hateful by nature, they have to be taught, and they can be taught differently. The entire point of banning pride or the actual history of the US is the raise people to br ignorant and hateful, while also giving libs someone to look down on so that both will ignore the system grinding them to dust.

Because liberals and conservatives fight for the same cause, the power of the rich to extract everything they can from the poor.

[CmdrKing]

My sympathy for western conservatives on that front is basically nil at this point. Aside from the fact they’re overwhelmingly not the people actually that experiencing the degradation of capitalism except in the absolute most technical sense, the information silos required to maintain a conservative outlook are entered into willingly. They do so because they prefer ignorance that will never challenge or ask anything of them to even the slightest measure of acknowledging things in the world they did not experience as a child.

[hammerofglass]

I think a lot of conservatism is empathy gone bad. They know if the situation were reversed they would see the injustice and feel justified in seeking revenge, but they're in denial that it's unjust when they benefit from it. That's where you get that stock claim "x isn't really looking for equality, they're looking to dominate [speaker's group]!" Sometimes this extends to outright delusional claims that it has already happened, like the evergreen anti feminist claim that women have more rights and power than men.

For the history of race and persecution of sexual minorities it's the same thing. There's no way to tell the story (and humans always think in stories) where they aren't the villain trying to hurt other people for no good reason. Not their parents, this is far too recent for that; them personally. So lacking the strength of character to admit they were wrong and grow as people they're just trying to keep their kids from finding out what happened.

That's the mainstream conservatives, of course. I don't think it applies to QAnon cultists and overt fascists.

[CmdrKing]

I think that gets at why a lot of liberals become small-c conservatives as they age, but not really life long conservatives. If you start at a conservative mindset then a lot of your thinking becomes devoted to the notion that the world as it existed when you were growing up (or at some hazy point in the past) is Good and Proper and must have been the way it was for good and proper reasons. And since most things in society take forms that perpetuate an existing social hierarchy, they get invested in that hierarchy itself and their own place in it.
And that’s where lifelong conservatives become easy fodder for proto-fascistic cults.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think a lot of conservatism is empathy gone bad. They know if the situation were reversed they would see the injustice and feel justified in seeking revenge, but they're in denial that it's unjust when they benefit from it. That's where you get that stock claim "x isn't really looking for equality, they're looking to dominate [speaker's group]!" Sometimes this extends to outright delusional claims that it has already happened, like the evergreen anti feminist claim that women have more rights and power than men.

For the history of race and persecution of sexual minorities it's the same thing. There's no way to tell the story (and humans always think in stories) where they aren't the villain trying to hurt other people for no good reason. Not their parents, this is far too recent for that; them personally. So lacking the strength of character to admit they were wrong and grow as people they're just trying to keep their kids from finding out what happened.

That's the mainstream conservatives, of course. I don't think it applies to QAnon cultists and overt fascists.

A big part of the problem is that they don't really listen to or consider much of anything that comes out of the left, especially when it comes to public areas outside their interest (economics, security, political checking). They tend to just consider what the Republican representatives talk about, and unfortunately Republican representatives misrepresent CRT and the issue polarizes.

Following what I learned in high school, formal aspects of CRT didn't really serve to enhance my understanding of racial issues leading up to and through 2016. I wouldn't call it banal by any means because it is rather subversive discourse on societal trends, but it is easily understandable, especially growing up with many movies that serve to exhibit issues. Regarding just that spectrum of understanding, it has been notably baffling how much people to some extent together either have no comprehension of ongoing subcultural issues, or have a certain established understanding to some point and inexplicably miss the point. I mean I thought the LA riots as a historical precedence would carry understandings a bit, but it is just a different day and age I guess.

But yeah, they don't really look to sociology as an empirical social assessment applicable to principles of science, but more a gang of people that are trying to run things with calculators and no practical experience. Which isn't totally unfounded in societal practice, is all I'll really say at this juncture. Identity politics itself tends to just get reduced to political strategy, but really that tends to just be a beast fighting the more modern libertarian fringe movement.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think that gets at why a lot of liberals become small-c conservatives as they age, but not really life long conservatives. If you start at a conservative mindset then a lot of your thinking becomes devoted to the notion that the world as it existed when you were growing up (or at some hazy point in the past) is Good and Proper and must have been the way it was for good and proper reasons. And since most things in society take forms that perpetuate an existing social hierarchy, they get invested in that hierarchy itself and their own place in it.
And that’s where lifelong conservatives become easy fodder for proto-fascistic cults.

Yeah that checks. The issues of the time were recognized, but the concern seemingly greys out. Part of it is a change of handling in the political spectrum, due to new generations developing their political agency. But yeah for instance is where people generally get more content with their ideals at which point the specificity deadlocks as things change.

[hammerofglass]

Following what I learned in high school, formal aspects of CRT didn't really serve to enhance my understanding of racial issues leading up to and through 2016. I wouldn't call it banal by any means because it is rather subversive discourse on societal trends, but it is easily understandable, especially growing up with many movies that serve to exhibit issues. Regarding just that spectrum of understanding, it has been notably baffling how much people to some extent together either have no comprehension of ongoing subcultural issues, or have a certain established understanding to some point and inexplicably miss the point. I mean I thought the LA riots as a historical precedence would carry understandings a bit, but it is just a different day and age I guess.

You covered formal legal theories in highschool? Damn, good school.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Following what I learned in high school, formal aspects of CRT didn't really serve to enhance my understanding of racial issues leading up to and through 2016. I wouldn't call it banal by any means because it is rather subversive discourse on societal trends, but it is easily understandable, especially growing up with many movies that serve to exhibit issues. Regarding just that spectrum of understanding, it has been notably baffling how much people to some extent together either have no comprehension of ongoing subcultural issues, or have a certain established understanding to some point and inexplicably miss the point. I mean I thought the LA riots as a historical precedence would carry understandings a bit, but it is just a different day and age I guess.

You covered formal legal theories in highschool? Damn, good school.

Considering how laws are enacted as a democratic consequent, it's really not that hard to grasp their overbearingness on an institutional level as a subject of human fallibility. If the law actually appropriated slavery, then why would it be preposterous to not consider it degrading to any other extent?