The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Re: The Ukrainian Crisis of 2022

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clearspira wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:49 pm Supposedly Putin cannot commit as many forces to Ukraine as he wishes because he has to keep a good chunk of it on the Chinese border out of fear that they may wish to take back all of the land that Russia stole.
That's their new allies lol. Just sitting there and waiting to sniff blood in the water.
The regular russian army assets located in the Eastern Military District are:
  • 29th Army (Chita)
  • 5th Red Banner Army (Ussuriysk)
  • 68th Army Corps (Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk)
  • 35th Army (Belogorsk)
  • 36th Army (Ulan Ude)
Currently engaged in Ukraine are:
  • 29th Combined Arms Army = 2 x BTG's (Gen Maj Kolesnikov KIA near Charkiw)
  • 35th Combined Arms Army = 7 x BTG's
  • 36th Combined Arms Army = 8 x BTG's
One BTG (batallion tactical group) consists of approximately 600–800 officers and soldiers, roughly 200 of which are regular infantrymen. Each including roughly 10 tanks and 40 infantry fighting vehicles, as well as regular support vehicles for logistics and command and control. So, yeah. The east would be wide open for attack by both Japan (Sakhalin and Kurilles Islands) and China. Even if Russia retreats right now, the Eastern Military District would be basically impossible to defend, as particularly the 36th and 35th Army have been bleed white during their engagement period around Kyiv (not to mention that these Armies are all engaged in Eastern Ukraine now, without a chance to rest, resupply, repair or reeinforce).
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I have to think the main reason Japan hasn’t taken back their disputed territory already is they don’t want to come across as violating their constitution and risk the western backlash that would incur.
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The conflict is very vague. Both sides kind of have the same vague attitude over it, but it most seemingly was Japan's legitimate territory and is only under Russian control as a proxy agreement at the end of WWII. That's what I got from reading most any development on the issue in the wiki. Looks like a case for Judge Judy.
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If it was the case since ww2 most of the people there see themselves as Russians, so taking that back is a mess.
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Thebestoftherest wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:50 am If it was the case since ww2 most of the people there see themselves as Russians, so taking that back is a mess.
Yeah it may have been Japan's at one point but nearly 80 years of being under Soviet/Russian control, the people may think themselves as part of Russia now. Most grew up thinking that way.

Though of course this is me saying that without looking at the racial demographics of the area. Who knows.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pu ... AWxZVO_2|1

I am convinced that Putin is dying. So much about this can be explained away if he is.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:10 pm https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pu ... AWxZVO_2|1

I am convinced that Putin is dying. So much about this can be explained away if he is.
So are you saying like this whole international stage exhibition of his is him spinning around the drain?

I feel like that would depend on him being more like a Stalin figure and not part of a wider autocratic structure with its own influence on what's going on.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:10 pmI am convinced that Putin is dying.
Pretty much everyone is.
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This is comedy gold of the highest order. Today, RIA Novosti, one of the largest state-owned russian news agencies, gave a report about how russian security forces prevented a neo-nazi terroristic attack on Vladimir Solovyov, a very high-profile "journalist", TV-presenter and the prime russian propagandist (think along the lines of Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones and FOX News here). Among the stuff found in the possession of the supposed attackers, a note was found which orders the attack on Solovyov, as well as 3 SIMs...
Now let's have a look at the evidence presented in the official state-TV and state-media:
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"Why is the signature on that kill-order in a red circle?", you might ask. Well, that signature translates to "unreadable signature"... And those 3 SIMs? You might think about telephone-SIMs, like they are usually found alongside all unraveled terrorist and criminal gangs but...
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I think someone took the orders for this false flag action a bit too literal and yes, this was shown in state-TV and state-media...

Think about that, when you read news about the next industrial complex or government building going up in flames in Russia.

Oh and on that note. You probably heard about a rocketry laboratry/factory, some conscription-registration offices and a chemical factory in Kineschma going up in flames about 6 days ago. Well, today was a busy day for fire-fighters in Russia...

A russian airbase in Ussuriysk caught fire today.
Explosions hit state security building in Transnistria. (Transnistria being a breakaway-"people's republic" of Moldova, supported by Russia, just like Donetzk, Luhansk, South-Ossetia and co.
A railway line vital to the logistics of the russian army into Ukraine collapsed today
Well, actually multiple railway-lines in that area had troubles today.
Two gas-explosions in russian-occupied Kreminna killed a couple of "people's republic" officials in Kreminna.
A munitions and fuel depot in Bryansk is having an unplanned fireworks display

Something's foul in the state of Russia. It's hard to tell what is false flag, actual attacks, russian dissidents or actions of fifth columns at this point, but Russia is not having a good time at the moment.
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Is it just me but as I was reading this, that my mind went immediately to the Sims games and not the card itself? And that it was going to show up?
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