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Worffan101 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:43 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:35 pm I can relate to the borg.
...

No offense intended, but you can relate to an omnicidal botnet? I really do not mean to offend but I have trouble understanding how that's possible, it just doesn't click for me.
Random aside but I always wish they'd stuck with the original Borg characterization of only being interested in a planet's technology. I think the greatest way to handle the Borg is that the rest of the galaxy survives because the Borg DONT CARE about you. If you have something they want, they will come to you and take it.

But then leave.

Assimilation is the fastest way to get something but it's not like they don't procreate on their own (stupidest Trek retcon ever by VOY and there have been a LOT of stupid retcons) or NEED to.
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Worffan101 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:43 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:35 pm I can relate to the borg.
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No offense intended, but you can relate to an omnicidal botnet? I really do not mean to offend but I have trouble understanding how that's possible, it just doesn't click for me.
FINE. You got me. I'm a closeted communist. Held together by my own honor while my pride is beholden to the collective. leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej
..What mirror universe?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 12:29 am
Worffan101 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:43 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 10:35 pm I can relate to the borg.
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No offense intended, but you can relate to an omnicidal botnet? I really do not mean to offend but I have trouble understanding how that's possible, it just doesn't click for me.
FINE. You got me. I'm a closeted communist. Held together by my own honor while my pride is beholden to the collective. leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej
Dude, I'm a socialist, I don't see what your point is.
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https://youtu.be/IcmHt1eAWBk

Sums up Season 2 Picard pretty well. Honesly - any Major Grin's video does.
What a steaming pile...
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Anyone actually want to DISCUSS the season?

Or just go, "It's bad and you should feel bad?"

No one?

Gotcha.
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tyrteg wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 4:32 am https://youtu.be/IcmHt1eAWBk

Sums up Season 2 Picard pretty well. Honesly - any Major Grin's video does.
What a steaming pile...
AngryJoe really lost his s**t at this season. I wouldn't go as far as his screamed 0/10, but...

I started out really wanting to love it. I defended season 1 despite its...MANY issues, because I saw real promise and some solid good elements, but season 2 really just fell apart.

It's a damn shame, too. Cabrera, Ryan, Hurd, and Stewart are great. Spiner was good in season 1. Laris's actress is solid. NuGuinan is plenty capable when she's allowed to work her stuff. Elnor's actor is at least good at physicality. Sure, Briones and Pill suck, especially Briones, but the rest of the cast is at worst capable.

But they just don't use that cast effectively. Cabrera was criminally underused, as was Ryan, Hurd spent the whole season Being Sad with no real progress, Briones returning was 100 percent unnecessary and a detriment to the show, and the less said about Jurati and the Borg, the better.

The way this show handled Seven's reassimilation and indeed the Borg in general was so bad that Jeri Ryan visibly thought that she should be acting a different way from how she was told to and how her lines expected her to. I've never seen "You should be PROUD of the lasting scars caused by your mutilation and rape analogous experience!" played seriously before, or having your guts scooped out by an unfeeling AI that wants to use you as a slave then spare parts treated like an exotic vacation to Kenya that you came back from incessantly repeating the 3 words of Swahili you learned.

It's like the whole season was written by a strawman caricature of an out of touch Hollywood liberal from far right propaganda.
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Worffan101 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 7:19 amThe way this show handled Seven's reassimilation and indeed the Borg in general was so bad that Jeri Ryan visibly thought that she should be acting a different way from how she was told to and how her lines expected her to. I've never seen "You should be PROUD of the lasting scars caused by your mutilation and rape analogous experience!" played seriously before, or having your guts scooped out by an unfeeling AI that wants to use you as a slave then spare parts treated like an exotic vacation to Kenya that you came back from incessantly repeating the 3 words of Swahili you learned.
I don't disagree with anything above but for one thing:

Seven has ALWAYS been OVERTLY proud of being a Borg.

She constantly talks shit about how inferior everyone else is to the Borg in VOY.

Where is this bullshit she isn't coming from? It's like claiming, "Spock always hated Vulcans. He was a rebellious emotional guy who preferred his humanity."

I mean, it's not only not true, it's flat out the opposite of what's on screen.
It's like the whole season was written by a strawman caricature of an out of touch Hollywood liberal from far right propaganda.
God, I hope the criticism isn't talking about the second season's politics because I may have to shoot myself with a phaser if they are. There's the ICE scene and Guinan's speech and...nothing. It's otherwise a wacky season about nothing and goofy time-travel shenanigans.
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Worffan101 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 7:19 am AngryJoe really lost his s**t at this season. I wouldn't go as far as his screamed 0/10, but...

I started out really wanting to love it. I defended season 1 despite its...MANY issues, because I saw real promise and some solid good elements, but season 2 really just fell apart.
Yeah - Angry Joe even admitted he agrees with it's politics (unlike me) and yet he too hates (passionately) how poorly written, directed and acted it is. Enough to give it the first 0/10 in his decade-long career. Not giving it to some trash video game like "Slaughtering Grounds" or "Life of Black Tiger" No - giving it to Star Trek Picard. Let that sink in.

I will admit - I started the first season cautiously optimistic. Failbetter Games proved to me that I can disagree with the politics but love the product. I was willing to give it a chance, to see it soar - but in the end I only lasted 3 episodes. Which is 1 more episode than anyone in my family. And we're all fans of TNG. I so wanted to like it What broke me was one scene with Picard outside his house in France looking at the stars and from the back - just seeing him stand there - there was a fleeting moment where I thought - "Oh hey - this is Star Trek's captain Picard" and then he turned around and started speaking and I just couldn't watch it another second.
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:28 am Anyone actually want to DISCUSS the season?
Or just go, "It's bad and you should feel bad?"
No one?
Gotcha.
Oh wow. Never claimed that you should "feel bad" - for liking it. Haven't seen anyone else doing it either. But if you see all arguments that disagree with you as attacking you or trying to make you that you feel bad for liking Picard - I really can't imagine what kind of discussion you'd like to have...
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tyrteg wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 12:42 am
Worffan101 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 7:19 am AngryJoe really lost his s**t at this season. I wouldn't go as far as his screamed 0/10, but...

I started out really wanting to love it. I defended season 1 despite its...MANY issues, because I saw real promise and some solid good elements, but season 2 really just fell apart.
Yeah - Angry Joe even admitted he agrees with it's politics (unlike me) and yet he too hates (passionately) how poorly written, directed and acted it is. Enough to give it the first 0/10 in his decade-long career. Not giving it to some trash video game like "Slaughtering Grounds" or "Life of Black Tiger" No - giving it to Star Trek Picard. Let that sink in.

I will admit - I started the first season cautiously optimistic. Failbetter Games proved to me that I can disagree with the politics but love the product. I was willing to give it a chance, to see it soar - but in the end I only lasted 3 episodes. Which is 1 more episode than anyone in my family. And we're all fans of TNG. I so wanted to like it What broke me was one scene with Picard outside his house in France looking at the stars and from the back - just seeing him stand there - there was a fleeting moment where I thought - "Oh hey - this is Star Trek's captain Picard" and then he turned around and started speaking and I just couldn't watch it another second.
Yeah, I'm a socialist, generally pro immigration, hate Trump beyond words or reason, but I broadly agree. Really promising stuff in the first episode and some promising stuff amidst the mess in season 1.

The writing, direction, and Briones and Pill's acting were so bad, though, it's not even funny.
tyrteg wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 12:42 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:28 am Anyone actually want to DISCUSS the season?
Or just go, "It's bad and you should feel bad?"
No one?
Gotcha.
Oh wow. Never claimed that you should "feel bad" - for liking it. Haven't seen anyone else doing it either. But if you see all arguments that disagree with you as attacking you or trying to make you that you feel bad for liking Picard - I really can't imagine what kind of discussion you'd like to have...
The troll wants to wank about how awesum Jurati is, probably.
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tyrteg wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 12:42 am
Oh wow. Never claimed that you should "feel bad" - for liking it. Haven't seen anyone else doing it either. But if you see all arguments that disagree with you as attacking you or trying to make you that you feel bad for liking Picard - I really can't imagine what kind of discussion you'd like to have...
You misunderstand. What I'm saying is that if the discussion is, "This is so bad, it got a 0/10" then it's not discussion. It's pointless. I'd rather use this thread to discuss plots, characterization, twists, turns, themes, and worldbuilding.

That's the stuff that interests me in these thread. Saying it sucks doesn't mean anything.

I'm asking if anyone wants to discuss the actual season.
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