The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[McAvoy]

We'll just have to eat potatoes instead.

I have no problem with that. Baked potato with sour cream is awesome.

Among the 100 other things you can do with a potato.

Watch a potato blight be next.

That would suck. Rice would be option C.

[ProfessorDetective]

We'll just have to eat potatoes instead.

I have no problem with that. Baked potato with sour cream is awesome.

Among the 100 other things you can do with a potato.

Watch a potato blight be next.

I was thinking that but didn't want to jinx it.

[CharlesPhipps]

But yes, sadly, it won't be the nations who can best weather this that will suffer but ones that were pretty damn dependent on that wheat. This has contributed to people wanting Ukraine to "seek peace" but weirdly not to demand Russia get out. Its always the "reasonable" ones who seem to be expected to carry the burden.

Amusingly, the University of California also wrote a letter to Noam Choamsky and other old school Leftist intellectuals to and, I'm paraphrasing, "Shut the fuck up with your Pro-Stalinist garbage and making the Left look bad. Not everyone who is anti-US is automatically right you dumbass."

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/19/o ... raine-war/

[Madner Kami]

But yes, sadly, it won't be the nations who can best weather this that will suffer but ones that were pretty damn dependent on that wheat. This has contributed to people wanting Ukraine to "seek peace" but weirdly not to demand Russia get out. Its always the "reasonable" ones who seem to be expected to carry the burden.

Amusingly, the University of California also wrote a letter to Noam Choamsky and other old school Leftist intellectuals to and, I'm paraphrasing, "Shut the fuck up with your Pro-Stalinist garbage and making the Left look back. Not everyone who is anti-US is automatically right you dumbass."

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/19/o ... raine-war/

The amounts of Neville Chamberlains, the people who seemingly learned nothing from the Munich Treaties and the spool-up before 1939 are staggering. People I respected and thought to be good and clear heads, which are all too willing to sacrifice entire people and nations, just to avoid an immaterial threat of nuclear war and enabling that threat to be meaningful through their kow-towing in the first place, is mind-blowing and each and every one of them can go to hell. I failed to realize what the annexation of Crimea actually meant, I won't make the same mistake twice, unlike vast swaths of especially the left-leaning "elites".

[CharlesPhipps]

The sheer staggering apologia for Putin, a Far Right dictator and capitalist oligarch admired as well as supporting the Far Right in other nations, pretty much shows the level of "intellectual" discourse in a lot of academia where it doesn't actually matter about your PRINCIPLES if you are making a point against the United States.

If he's Anti-West, he's good.

Which is like some of the China apologia out there, acting like being pro-democracy and freedom must itself be hypocritical to the point there is no difference between a dictatorship and a democracy.

[Jonathan101]

Just leave this here:

Bush condemning Putin's unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bus ... n-12616449

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The sheer staggering apologia for Putin, a Far Right dictator and capitalist oligarch admired as well as supporting the Far Right in other nations, pretty much shows the level of "intellectual" discourse in a lot of academia where it doesn't actually matter about your PRINCIPLES if you are making a point against the United States.

If he's Anti-West, he's good.

Which is like some of the China apologia out there, acting like being pro-democracy and freedom must itself be hypocritical to the point there is no difference between a dictatorship and a democracy.

Principles, namely that they're basically unaccounted for. Between the general right and left it is mainly the difference between a 3- and 5-prong checklist of social values. On an individual account it is understandable, but democracy can surely be subverted by either.

[CharlesPhipps]

Just leave this here:

Bush condemning Putin's unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bus ... n-12616449

Well, he's not wrong in condemning both.

[Madner Kami]

Just leave this here:

Bush condemning Putin's unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bus ... n-12616449

Well, he's not wrong in condemning both.

I sometimes wonder, how much of a person's true self comes through with such bloopers. Bush Junior always struck me as someone who was in a position he never wanted to be in and was way in over his head, being driven by external forces, particularly people and their expectations of and demands from him, over which he just had no control and being painfully aware of it, but not having any means of escaping.

[CharlesPhipps]

Just leave this here:

Bush condemning Putin's unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bus ... n-12616449

Well, he's not wrong in condemning both.

I sometimes wonder, how much of a person's true self comes through with such bloopers. Bush Junior always struck me as someone who was in a position he never wanted to be in and was way in over his head, being driven by external forces, particularly people and their expectations of and demands from him, over which he just had no control and being painfully aware of it, but not having any means of escaping.

Historically, we basically know Rove and Cheney more or less were pulling the strings on him. Bush wanted to and approved of invading Iraq but his catastrophic failures in managing the war (dissolving the Iraqi Army, the mass embezzlement in reconstruction, the war crimes) were certainly exacerbated by their behind the scenes actions.