Thor: Love and Thunder

[Winter]

I'm gonna be upfront, I'm not the biggest fan of Thor: Ragnarok. I felt it leaned too much into the comedy and was a rather jarring departure in style from the other Thor films (which I actually enjoyed) and wasn't overly found of some of the ideas like killing off most of the cast, destroying Asgard and making Loki even more of a joke then he normally is. However, I'm fully aware I'm in the minority on all these points. I know that Ragnarok is LOVED by fans of both Thor and the MCU as a whole and that many felt that this breathed new life into the character and I will admit that while I'm not overly fond of the film I did like many of the scenes and I DID enjoy the direction it took Thor himself.

I did enjoy the fact that the film destroyed Mjölnir, the relationship between Thor and Loki feels more like a sibling relationship more so then the other films, the scene were Odin dies is one of the best moments in the series IMO and I DID enjoy that Thor took up the role of King of Asgard... And then Infinity War and Endgame came around and undid all that and turned Thor into an absolute loser who fails at everything he does. Did the Russo Brothers just hate Thor or something?

And thus we come to the most resent entry in the Thor series within the MCU, Thor: Love and Thunder, which seems to be doing everything it can to not only undo the damage of IW and EG but doing so in such a way I can respect. By USING those story points as a foundation instead of just ignoring them. With the last 2 Avengers movies they just straight up undid all that development and reset Thor to how he was before Ragnarok while L&T instead seems to be EMBRACING the ideas of what happened to Thor there and using it as part of his journey. Hell, it even is taking a character who wasn't overly popular in the other Thor films and making her a central part of the film again, that being Jane Foster with her in the role of Mighty Thor.

Jane was a character I had mixed feelings about as she felt like to much of a retread of Pepper Pots from the Iron Man films and I never got into her relationship with Thor that much. But here, she seems to be taking on a role that many from the comics seem to enjoy and using her in a way that adds to Thor's character while giving her a journey unique to herself. She is not here for Thor's journey, she is here for an arc of her own.

And I've got to hand it to Natalie Portman for hitting the gem and building up all that muscle, she looks AMAZING!!! I mean Hot Damn Girl!

And given everything that's happened during this year I want a nice simple film where the Good Guys Save the Day while having fun along the way. Throw in some possible LGBT rep and I might just head out to theaters to see this film.

[Madner Kami]

[...] Jane Foster with her in the role of Mighty Thor. [...]

*rollseyes*groans*

Anyways, I find the idea of not using the %title character% as the centerpiece of one of their movies a good one. One of the biggest mistakes comics do in general is, repeating themselves and letting their protagonist tread water forever. Using those characters not as the centerpiece of the story allows other characters to have an arc and still relate to the %title character% in so far as it shows how they are influencing other people or how they interact with other people, while not being the umpteenth iteration of the same story, something that is often missed as a story-opportunity elsewhere.

[hammerofglass]

I really did like Ragnarok, and I've loved everything I've seen Waititi that has done. Super psyched for this in July.

Also calling it now, the "Thor mooning over Jane" plot ends with her and Valkrie together. China and Russia aren't importing Marvel movies anymore anyway, might as well.

[Thebestoftherest]

I really did like Ragnarok, and I've loved everything I've seen Waititi that has done. Super psyched for this in July.

Also calling it now, the "Thor mooning over Jane" plot ends with her and Valkrie together. China and Russia aren't importing Marvel movies anymore anyway, might as well.

Honestly surprised that they didn't have Valkirye be the one that is worthy.

[Winter]

I really did like Ragnarok, and I've loved everything I've seen Waititi that has done. Super psyched for this in July.

Also calling it now, the "Thor mooning over Jane" plot ends with her and Valkrie together. China and Russia aren't importing Marvel movies anymore anyway, might as well.

Actually I wonder if this will be a Polyamorous romance with Thor, Jane and Valkyrie. I mean, we have Thor and Jane holding pinky fingers (adorable) Valkyrie admiring Thor's naked body along with Jane (something everyone seems to approve of) and the film apparently focusing on the three of them. I'm not yet sure if the MCU is ready for their films to have a LGBT relationship as the center piece in a plot but I would be 100% fine being wrong on that.

Mind you, as I've said before, if there is one character I want in the MCU and Marvel in general it's Danny Tozer aka Dreadnought, and all her queer angst. And even then, it would more likely be a Disney+ series as TV, Comics, Novels and Games don't depend on other countries for good sales so they can be as gay as they want but films are pretty much dependent on China and Russia. Though, as you pointed out, China and Russia aren't importing MCU films but even then film's will likely be the slowest to change for Queer rep so I'm not holding my breath.

Again, I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

[hammerofglass]

Never heard of Danny Tozer, have to check it out.

edit: Reading the blurb and all I can think is that I could have really used that kind of story when I was a teenager. Reading the shit out of this.

[Thebestoftherest]

I want to know what happen to Sif, it is says she was snap but I don't remember us seeing what happen to her after thor 2.

[Winter]

I really did like Ragnarok, and I've loved everything I've seen Waititi that has done. Super psyched for this in July.

Also calling it now, the "Thor mooning over Jane" plot ends with her and Valkrie together. China and Russia aren't importing Marvel movies anymore anyway, might as well.

Honestly surprised that they didn't have Valkirye be the one that is worthy.

Well, Jane was the one who later wielding Mjölnir in the comics in the Mighty Thor issues and since Portman agreed to return it makes sense to have them follow suit with the comics especially since Jane as the new wielder of Mjölnir has been overall well received among fans.

[CharlesPhipps]

I feel like the LOVE AND THUNDER premise gets rid of the majority of problems of the Jane Foster Thor in the comics like the MCU tends to do.

1. Thor isn't suddenly "unworthy", he has Stormbringer.

2. Jane Foster gets the power of Thor because she has Mjolnir and is worthy, like Captain America. Which I buy just fine.

3. Jane Foster's feminism is less strange when there's more than one female character in the story (Jane Foster in the comics was mostly going it alone).

4. Odin is not representing the patriarchy. If they use Zeus to, well, that just is mythologically accurate.

5. Jane is obviously not using Thor as her name. She's just got his powers.

[Winter]

Never heard of Danny Tozer, have to check it out.

edit: Reading the blurb and all I can think is that I could have really used that kind of story when I was a teenager. Reading the shit out of this.

I'll admit that I've never connected with a character as much as I do with Danny because many of the things that she's goes over in her head are things that I've said to myself so many times that I actually was in tears in the first couple of pages before I even got to the end of chapter 1. And her joy after changing was something I've wanted to hear in my own life for, well, as long as I can remember. I do feel the book leans a little to much into the angst but I've seen worse in more mainstream superheroes books (I'm looking at you Parker).

I want to know what happen to Sif, it is says she was snap but I don't remember us seeing what happen to her after thor 2.

I hear it's something to do with the actor, either she's dealing with scheduling conflicts or a pay dispute with Marvel but right now she's not in the MCU which is rather sad as I really liked her and Thor's other Asgard friends.

I feel like the LOVE AND THUNDER premise gets rid of the majority of problems of the Jane Foster Thor in the comics like the MCU tends to do.

1. Thor isn't suddenly "unworthy", he has Stormbringer.

2. Jane Foster gets the power of Thor because she has Mjolnir and is worthy, like Captain America. Which I buy just fine.

3. Jane Foster's feminism is less strange when there's more than one female character in the story (Jane Foster in the comics was mostly going it alone).

4. Odin is not representing the patriarchy. If they use Zeus to, well, that just is mythologically accurate.

5. Jane is obviously not using Thor as her name. She's just got his powers.

1: Stormbringer isn't like Mjolnir, anyone can use it as shown in Endgame BUT we already know Thor is still worthy as he was shown wielding Mjolnir in Endgame.

2: I do hope they go into how she got it and how it ties into her cancer.

3: Honestly from what I've seen it's less that there's more then one woman then it is that Thor is 100% onboard with having kickass women on fighting alongside him. Feminism isn't only about being awesome but it's also about men treating you as equals which Thor has been doing since day one.

4: I love how everyone is becoming more aware just how much of a twat Zeus was and if anyone deserves a good brain duster it's that jerk.

5: Well, in the comics they do use Thor in her comics (more accurately Mighty Thor) which is odd because I don't think she's ever called that in the comics themselves. Also the trailer and the posters have all joked about Jane ALSO being Thor so I do think it will be, at the very least, a one off gag in film itself.