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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.
AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.
AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.
Can you bottom line it for me? I don't see how Leroy Jenkinsing in with no thought of what the consequences for the people you are trying to save, would help.
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.
AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.
Can you bottom line it for me? I don't see how Leroy Jenkinsing in with no thought of what the consequences for the people you are trying to save, would help.
They don't Leroy Jenkins it. They go in methodically and carefully while actively assessing the situation, but they keep the pressure on. Resolve the situation as quickly as possible so more victims get immediate medical attention in time and fewer get killed.
It's only twenty pages and the people who wrote it know a hell of a lot more about the topic than I do, I highly recommend actually reading it over taking my word for it (rainbow butterfly). There are stats and examples and everything.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.
AR-15 style rifles are the most common gun in the country. They're easy to make and all the patents ran out in the 70's so every manufacturer makes them. It's a varmint gun, that's it. Almost everyone who has more than one gun owns one. In the kind of ranges we're talking about the pistols the police were carrying are just as deadly.
Can you bottom line it for me? I don't see how Leroy Jenkinsing in with no thought of what the consequences for the people you are trying to save, would help.
They don't Leroy Jenkins it. They go in methodically and carefully while actively assessing the situation, but they keep the pressure on. Resolve the situation as quickly as possible so more victims get immediate medical attention in time and fewer get killed.
It's only twenty pages and the people who wrote it know a hell of a lot more about the topic than I do, I highly recommend actually reading it over taking my word for it (rainbow butterfly). There are stats and examples and everything.
Assuming cop training is more or less the same across the country, they should be trained to not to just rush in guns ablazing. They would go in securing the area as they go in. They would be also trained in not assuming there would bd just one shooter either.
The question is how they would act once they got to the room where the shooter was. There would or should be at least one officer outside to cover the windows in case of an escape though there and also maybe a possible shot.
I would have assumed as basic as I described it, would be known even if going by what is shown on TV.
They ain't going in like Stormtroopers shooting everywhere by the shooter. It woukd be methodical.
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:26 pm
He had a military grade weapon and they could have not known where exactly the shooter is, making it easy for the shooter to kill every one of them before they can even try to stop him. And I am not talking about this particular incident, I am asking why people think this is the objectively wrong thing to do in all situations.
The idea of police that is sold to people is that they exist to protect us. If they cannot or will not do that they're just a way for the rich to opress us with our own money. If they are not willing to risk life and limb for the sake of others they ought not to exist at all.
Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 pm
The idea of police that is sold to people is that they exist to protect us. If they cannot or will not do that they're just a way for the rich to opress us with our own money.
You're only catching on now?
"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two equals four. If that is granted, all else follows." -- George Orwell, 1984
The public by design can only do so much with the police. They're not purposed as humanitarian defenders, but civic security. The federal government dictates that each person is afforded civic rights, and the cops have humanitarian purpose by that protocol, but the local levels prerogative will have one ear tuned to stuff interfering with buildings on streets.
