Wokeness or Something

[BBally81]

The Ultraman franchise while a science fiction superhero franchise that mainly targets young viewers would at times use allegories to tackle sensitive topics especially in the Showa era.

Such as Ultraseven/Dan struggling to comprehend the development of deadly weapons in Episode 26 "Super Weapon R-1", which was a Sci-Fi take on the Nuclear Defense Strategy during the Cold War.

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Or episode 33 of Return of Ultraman "The Monster User and the Boy" being used as allegory to the struggle of minorities in Japan being victims of discrimination. This was confirmed by the episode's writer Shozo Uehara, who stated this was especially influenced by the poor treatment of the Ainu people (indigenous people of the lands surrounding the Sea of Okhotsk, including Hokkaido Island, Northeast Honshu Island, Sakhalin Island, the Kuril Islands, the Kamchatka Peninsula and Khabarovsk Krai) and Zainichi citizens (Koreans or citizens of Korean descent living in Japan).

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In fact, the episode was so controversial that Uehara was forced to step down from his head writer position, but is now considered a highly acclaimed and well regarded episode among the Ultraman fandom.
https://www.nippon.com/en/views/b04006/?pnum=2
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13052130

Ryosuke Takahashi, creator of mecha anime classics such as Votoms and Dougram stated in an interview that the Vietnam War and by extension the Cold War was a major influence on his work.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarde ... 6d79d41231

There's a lot of things wrong with the Jodie Whittaker of Doctor Who, which is why it's one of the weakest eras of the show but people are really stretching when they list it being too "political" as one of the issues because it doesn't come close to how "political" Classic era of Doctor Who especially the Jon Pertwee era. To quote Linkara: "it takes that subtly and beats it to death like Ace to a Dalek."

The Pertwee era was for the most part very "politically left leaning", that era had episodes that pushed themes like environmental issues (Green Death) and bigotry (The Mutants). The Curse of Peladon was a blatant Pro EU story set in space.

Also it always use metaphors remember episodes like The Massacre? Also Remembrance Of The Daleks had this famous scene of Ace coming across the No Coloured sign or how part of her character development was reveal her best friend were killed by bigots.


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The Classic Tom Baker Doctor Who story The Sun Makers, which was written as a response to the rise of taxes in the UK.

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The issue with something like Orphan 55 from the Whittaker era wasn't it was trying to "lecture" viewers, the issue was that it had rubbish writing that didn't concentrate on "entertaining" the audience.

Anyone who wants to see Doctor Who lecturing done well, watch some Jon Pertwee stories.


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Pertwee Doctor's "Don't glamorize war" speech from Planet of the Daleks
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[hammerofglass]

Lister was a lazy slob who shared the lowest possible rank on the ship with a neurotic underachiving lunatic; his only redeeming feature was his profound concern for ethics. Cat was absurdly vain. Because it's a comedic parody of the science-fiction tradition, not because it's compliant with current sociological ideologies of the left.

What, I suppose you'd also have us believe Holly's gender presentation was a signal about transsexuality?

Woke is a term for everything the right hates. It doesn't matter what the left thinks.

It used to have a real meaning beyond that but it doesn't anymore. It's basically just a shibboleth at this point.

See also: SJW, critical race theory, virtue signaling, politically correct.

[clearspira]

Lister was a lazy slob who shared the lowest possible rank on the ship with a neurotic underachiving lunatic; his only redeeming feature was his profound concern for ethics. Cat was absurdly vain. Because it's a comedic parody of the science-fiction tradition, not because it's compliant with current sociological ideologies of the left.

What, I suppose you'd also have us believe Holly's gender presentation was a signal about transsexuality?

Woke is a term for everything the right hates. It doesn't matter what the left thinks.

It used to have a real meaning beyond that but it doesn't anymore. It's basically just a shibboleth at this point.

See also: SJW, critical race theory, virtue signaling, politically correct.

See also: Nazi, sexist, misogynist, racist. The left are guilty of overusing terms to meaningless breaking point too.

[clearspira]

Lister was a lazy slob who shared the lowest possible rank on the ship with a neurotic underachiving lunatic; his only redeeming feature was his profound concern for ethics. Cat was absurdly vain. Because it's a comedic parody of the science-fiction tradition, not because it's compliant with current sociological ideologies of the left.

What, I suppose you'd also have us believe Holly's gender presentation was a signal about transsexuality?

Exactly my views. The Dwarfers are assholes. Rimmer date raped one woman and was willing to have sex with Kochanski despite the fact that she was clearly uncomfortable. If the left wants these guys they can have them.

Holly actually kind of amuses me because every time he has returned since series 6 he has been in his male form.

[Nealithi]

I think 'woke' exists. Because something makes itself woke. Take the movie Alien. You know going in that it is a space monster movie thing. It has men and women and you do not know who is the hero and who will be the victims. In the end one of the women is the 'hero'. Who if you think about it was right through out the movie. Not right because she was a woman. Objectively right. If they had used proper caution then the chance of impregnation was low. Proper quarantine at any step would have saved them, etc. It is not however 'woke' just because the woman was right. It was never advertised as a woman that kicks ass etc.

Now compare Holdo in TLJ. She never comes off as part of the crew. Her being 'right' is because she is a woman not because of an objective decision. While I do not fully agree with the character of Rose. I do not fault her for anything but the kamikaze move on Finn. Because it was a stupid move. It was in her character however and makes sense from her point of view. But I do not think she and Finn put the fleet in particular danger. They were attempting to remove the danger so their friends could escape. It failed, and that too is fine. Heroes that succeed all the time get boring faster. What I hold this to woke is that if you did not like the movie you were a misogynist asshole. Same with the one Ghost Busters movie. I didn't dislike that movie because I hate women. I didn't like the movie because it wasn't fun or funny. To me a female/LGBTQ/minority lead should not be the only purpose of the movie. Tell the story. Any of that only comes up if it is important to the story. I recently saw a trailer for a movie coming up. An elder teacher is talking to a new student about him being a bully. She tells him a story of her youth. One line in the trailer/movie. Was a student picking up her dropped notebook. Thumbing through some drawings she did, and saying. "These are pretty good." She smiles, then he continues. "For a jew." and she looks like she was just slapped. This is drama calling the problem into focus. Not pandering. Pandering is the problem. And the whole GWGB sounds like wishful thinking from the critics.

[Frustration]

Rimmer date raped one woman

She was actually concussed from a sporting accident, if I remember correctly, and misidentified Rimmer as someone else.

In hindsight it's kind of shocking that that was considered funny, and a sign of how pathetic Rimmer was, rather than spotlighting that he's a rapist.

[BBally81]

I personally don't like using the term "woke" because it has become a buzzword that lost all meaning, being spouted by people who see anything that even comes slightly close to being "political" as woke pandering.

Are there cooperations that do practices like filling diversity quotas as part of a cynical attempt at getting "woke" points? Absolutely, Disney is especially guilty of that for the many times they pushed the "First character of....." gimmick as a way of getting publicity.

However, I've seen too many people attacking even actual GOOD media for being "woke propaganda" for whatever they see as "ticking boxes to pander to the woke" and if whatever media they see as "woke" is successful, they make up whatever excuse they think of to keep their "Go Woke, Go Broke" narrative intact, like "Disney buying tickets so Captain Marvel would make a billion" or "these viewership numbers are made up" or simply insulting the audience calling them "company shill consumers".

So I don't have any desire to join the ant-woke side, in fact I pick no side in this stupid culture war nonsense because both sides suck HARD.

[Winter]

So I don't have any desire to join the ant-woke side, in fact I pick no side in this stupid culture war nonsense because both sides suck HARD.

Gotta agree on that one, in this game the only way to win is not to play.

[McAvoy]

I personally don't like using the term "woke" because it has become a buzzword that lost all meaning, being spouted by people who see anything that even comes slightly close to being "political" as woke pandering.

Are there cooperations that do practices like filling diversity quotas as part of a cynical attempt at getting "woke" points? Absolutely, Disney is especially guilty of that for the many times they pushed the "First character of....." gimmick as a way of getting publicity.

However, I've seen too many people attacking even actual GOOD media for being "woke propaganda" for whatever they see as "ticking boxes to pander to the woke" and if whatever media they see as "woke" is successful, they make up whatever excuse they think of to keep their "Go Woke, Go Broke" narrative intact, like "Disney buying tickets so Captain Marvel would make a billion" or "these viewership numbers are made up" or simply insulting the audience calling them "company shill consumers".

So I don't have any desire to join the ant-woke side, in fact I pick no side in this stupid culture war nonsense because both sides suck HARD.

I have been seeing that too much lately. Like Kenobi for example.

Going woke the moment there is a same sex kiss in anything. Going the moment there is a person of color other than a side character. Gpimg woke if there is a woman as a lead or co-lead.

Being woke lost its real meaning long time ago.

[McAvoy]

I personally don't like using the term "woke" because it has become a buzzword that lost all meaning, being spouted by people who see anything that even comes slightly close to being "political" as woke pandering.

Are there cooperations that do practices like filling diversity quotas as part of a cynical attempt at getting "woke" points? Absolutely, Disney is especially guilty of that for the many times they pushed the "First character of....." gimmick as a way of getting publicity.

However, I've seen too many people attacking even actual GOOD media for being "woke propaganda" for whatever they see as "ticking boxes to pander to the woke" and if whatever media they see as "woke" is successful, they make up whatever excuse they think of to keep their "Go Woke, Go Broke" narrative intact, like "Disney buying tickets so Captain Marvel would make a billion" or "these viewership numbers are made up" or simply insulting the audience calling them "company shill consumers".

So I don't have any desire to join the ant-woke side, in fact I pick no side in this stupid culture war nonsense because both sides suck HARD.

It's funny to me but Billy Dee Williams are Harvey Dent in the 1989 Batman. Which he should have eventually became Two Face.

If that happened today, it would be considered woke.

But if you stand back and think about it. It might have actually worked if they decided to do a Tim Burton Two Face.