Wokeness or Something

[clearspira]

The sheer fucking hypocrisy of the board's main source of "the world would be better if you were never born" messages coming up with that rant is leaving me speechless.

Who am I claiming shouldn't be born then? This'll be good. If you can explain your view of me without making me sound as if I was the commander of Auschwitz in a former life I will doff my cap to you.

Pssst... this is just between you and me, Glass-San. The fact that I don't like Rey or the Doctor's sex change or that I find the idea of a world that is perfect just because men do not exist to be disgusting, doesn't mean that I want to eradicate gays and transpeople off the planet. This black and white mentality regarding LGBT issues that you clearly possess, your inability to recognise that political opinions exist on a scale that is more nuanced than ''0-1'', is the very reason why so many negative stereotypes of lefties exist. I will apologise for this accusation if, and only if, you achieve the parameters that I laid out in the first paragraph.

[hammerofglass]

You're not going to listen to anyone who isn't a straight cis man, I won't waste my time.

[McAvoy]

*snip*

The comics may have done that but in the movie it is literally just two Moms kissing their kid before disappearing into some dimensional rift. And I absolutely guarantee you, majority of those who have a problem with that scene has no idea of the backstory in the comics.

Lightyear I haven't seen but heard of the 'woke' scene. Do not tell me if it was between a man and woman that the pearl clutchers would have a problem with it.

It's 2022. Not 1922. Kids will see gay couples kiss openly in public now. Better for them to see it, accept it now then view them as abnormal and bitch about it when they see it in movies.

[Thebestoftherest]

I can't but notice that is the exact same origin as Wonder woman and he didn't bring that up. It like it is not a belief as much as going after something that doesn't have the same history and harder to go against.

[Winter]

I can't but notice that is the exact same origin as Wonder woman and he didn't bring that up. It like it is not a belief as much as going after something that doesn't have the same history and harder to go against.

Actually he did

Not only that, but she is from a universe called the Utopian Parallel which is basically Themyscira on steroids. There are literally no men. And it is a utopia precisely because there are no men.

Funnily enough everything he has said was repeated by people who hated Wonder Woman back when it first came out "It's anti-man because a woman is presented as strong and from a place that is presented as peaceful because there are no men" has literally all been said before. The only difference is it's being said on a forum board instead of a official news paper because most of the world doesn't have this problem.

What I can't help but notice is that clearspira has yet to respond to my "Shall we play a game" post where I asked them to Highlight the half of the series I listed that are considered bad by general audience and critics WITHOUT using YouTube channels that happened to agree with them due to those creators being in the minority but in the general audience reception.

... That was last month and while they've responded to a number of other posts made here they've yet to prove anything. Go Woke, Go Broke is a conspiracy theory mindset and just like all conspiracy theories it's based upon a preexisting prejudiced and in order to justify they're prejudice they need something or someone to blame and will ignore all evidence to the contrary and only focus on what supports they're argument.

The films or shows that clearspira has posted that were bombs or disliked by just about everyone weren't even stories I listed and the ones I listed out numbered the ones they listed 100 to 1. And their rant about being offended by same sex couples having a child, ignoring the series they critique and using the whole "Think of the children" paints them as homophobic who's only offended by "Woke" because of imagined slights.

This will be my last comment on this post and I'm just blocking clearspira after this. I have no interest in reading comments from someone who gets offended at the idea of gay parents existing. It was stupid back when it was said against Wonder Woman it's stupid now.

[Frustration]

I think it's pretty obvious that people don't particularly like being preached at in their entertainment. Anything that has a message, but doesn't take the time and effort to integrate that message into an entertaining story, is going to inspire negative opinions.

If a 'cheap shot' is a low-effort insult, there is the equivalent but opposite concept of a minimal-commitment-and-effort advocacy. Trying to support a position, but doing so without integrating it into a story and without investing any real emotional weight into the issue. Putting up a flag and expecting people to salute, so to speak.

I think that's behind most of the potential examples that could be used to support "Go Woke, Go Broke" - it's bargain-basement advocacy making weak stories even less appealing.

[BBally81]

I think this so-called culture war is a bunch of nonsense pushed by online reactionary hacks for cheap clicks. I just want to enjoy media regardless whether it was simple escapism or tackling sensitive topics that could be considered "political" or have elements that could be considered "woke". I don't care.

Are there cooperations that do practices like filling diversity quotas as part of a cynical attempt at getting "woke" points? Absolutely, Disney is especially guilty of that. However, there are also a lot of people (especially online reactionaries) who use the "woke" argument in order to criticize media they don't like even if said "woke" element is actually done well or small.

[CharlesPhipps]

My view is that the culture war is driven by the realization there's actually a bunch of really fucking racist people out there combined with the fact corporations are greedy shills exploitation it. Also, some progressives are obnoxious twits that thing arguing on the net will somehow make a difference.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Clearspira, how would you define "woke" and why do you want to see it fail so badly? Setting entirely aside the concept of whether it is financially successful. Because you were really, really eager to see Captain Marvel fail too and you seem really, really offended by "wokeness", whatever it is.

[Frustration]

In this context, 'woke' is a slang term indicating acceptance of currently-popular standards of social correctness.