The New Mutants: The Movie Screwed Over be the Universe

[Winter]

This is a film that could have been great, it's got just about everything, character, trauma and is a nice twist on the Superhero Story by making it more into a Horror/Slasher film in the vain of A Nightmare on Elm Street which is new and could work. The cast is good, the characters they're based on are all good and the storyline it's based on is one of the more underrated in Marvel IMO.

So, what went wrong?

Simply put, the universe itself seemed to have it out for this movie. First their was the Disney Buyout which made it impossible to do Re-Shoots which was needed to iron out the kinks in the story. Then there was another delay, and another, and another and when it seemed to FINALLY be released in theaters... 2020 happened and it was delayed again. The number of delays was so infamous that even the cast and crew made fun of it.

And again, it's a real shame that all this happened because with just a little bit more time and a few re-shoots this seems like a lost classic.

The Star Wars Prequels are often regarded as good ideas that were badly executed, that with just a little more work the films could have been seen as good as the Original Trilogy and I get that feeling here. It's not so much that the execution is flawed but rather that the means to GET the right execution was out of the cast and crews hands.

However, what does it say about Dark Phoenix that I honestly think a film that the Universe itself seemed to hate that I STILL think that this is a better note for the X-Men films to end on?

[CharlesPhipps]

I mean it's not a very good movie either.

It also argues that mutants ARE dangerous and will kill huge numbers of innocent people if left alone.

[Winter]

I mean it's not a very good movie either.

It also argues that mutants ARE dangerous and will kill huge numbers of innocent people if left alone.

Going off the Marvel Universe as a whole, everyone can be dangerous. Hell, you can be saved by the Devil and become a spirit of vengeance and kills hundreds, maybe even thousands of people. Most Mutants aren't any more dangerous then what people in Marvel already have to deal with. I'm always reminded of the Mage Circles in Dragon Age and what Chuck said about them, "People just living their lives aren't the ones you need to worry about starting a revolution."

Do I think Mutants should be trained in their powers and learn how to respect the law and lives of others, yes but their are no more dangerous then anyone else in the Marvel Universe.

[Thebestoftherest]

I think part of the problem is, (and I'm going out of universe for this) is that the writers don't have interest in small scales powers. I mean think about how many of the most popular x men started out with maybe they could destroy a building and are now might threat all of reality if they wanted to. We don't see many mutants who powers are can change eye color at will, or can cause or stop sweating in one's own body with a thought, or even have like 40 40 vision. It usually a healing factor that destroy any virus, or a ray that destroy planets or control all weather on Earth at the same time.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It also argues that mutants ARE dangerous and will kill huge numbers of innocent people if left alone.

What are you referring to? As far as themes are concerned, when did they suggest that these people would do that/

[CharlesPhipps]

It also argues that mutants ARE dangerous and will kill huge numbers of innocent people if left alone.

What are you referring to? As far as themes are concerned, when did they suggest that these people would do that/

Almost all of the mutants have the origin of, "My power manifested and killed a bunch of innocent people" with Cannonball having killed his father and brothers (unlike the comic), Sunspot hurting his girlfriend, and the biggest issue that Danielle Moonstar killed her entire tribe by summoning the Demon Bear (which isn't a mutant manifestation in the comics but an actual demon that they have to fight).

It feels needlessly edgelordy because while it makes all of the children feel guilty, it fundamentally suggests that humans do have a reason to be afraid of mutants and undermines the theme of the mutants in comics.

[clearspira]

I mean it's not a very good movie either.

It also argues that mutants ARE dangerous and will kill huge numbers of innocent people if left alone.

They are dangerous if left alone. That is Professor Xavier's whole plot in ''Logan''. Senile old man kills a lot of people if you leave him alone for too long.

But the same movie ALSO proves that humans are dangerous if left alone hence the whole poisoning all mutants thing.

That seems to be the message of Marvel. Everyone is dangerous without oversight. The mutant registration act and the superhero registration act makes complete sense on paper because it makes complete sense to want to know who the girl is who can walk into a bank vault when there is a bank robbery in the area. And on the flipside, firearm registration also makes sense because when there is a killing its nice to know who owns the gun that the bullet is matched to.
Human beings need oversight. Go figure.

[CharlesPhipps]

But the same movie ALSO proves that humans are dangerous if left alone hence the whole poisoning all mutants thing

I feel like there's a distinct difference between, "horrific danger to person by biology" and "genocide via corn syrup."

[clearspira]

But the same movie ALSO proves that humans are dangerous if left alone hence the whole poisoning all mutants thing

I feel like there's a distinct difference between, "horrific danger to person by biology" and "genocide via corn syrup."

Not really. In X-Men 2 Magneto was preparing to genocide the human race using Cerebro and a mind-controlled Xavier. One genocide by mutant powers, one genocide using human brains.

BTW, pretty much the only good thing about X-Men 3 was Storm pontificating to Rogue about how ''mutants don't need to be cured'' and then the latter shuts her up by pointing out that she KILLS PEOPLE just by touching them. Its all very well getting indignant about mutant rights when you look like Halle Berry and have the powers of a weather god. Less so when you cannot kiss a boy lest you murder him. A mutant cure for people like her is the moral option.

[Madner Kami]

Mutants proved time and again, that they are a ticking time-bomb. Do they need to end up in concentration camps or being exterminated via forced injection? Nope. But they need to be educated on how to control their powers. If their ability ends with them being able to accidentally *poof* the reality into non-existence just because they suddenly had a violent sneeze, then it needs to be harnessed. How is that even something that needs discussion or is controversial? You wouldn't put a nuclear warhead into a toddlers hands, which goes up the moment the toddler hits the big red button on it, would you?

Oh and as for their powers manifesting in violent ways: Think about it. It has been a stable that mutant powers generally tend to emerge during puberty, a time where human children are classically prone to being incapable of controlling their emotions, as their hormonal shifts fundamentally rewire their entire bodily and mental functions. If a power is capable of harming people and the person in question needs to be able to control it, it's only logical that this is the most likely moment where they are most prone to loose control and accidentally kill somebody. Will that happen in every single case? No, certainly not. But the probability is fairly high and as such, results will be statistically representative of that.