The Mar A Lago Raid

[CharlesPhipps]

Considering Trump is a moron whose best grift during his entire 4 years as president seems to have amounted to selling trinkets and begging for money from his troglodyte fanbase the idea that he had all this material is strange.

Was he holding on to it as some kind of leverage? Was he going to sell it? What was the end game?

I mean, the only possible reason to have this shit is to sell it.

Probably to the Saudis.

[Madner Kami]

There's also: Negligence. Trump's favourite spot was Mar-A-Lago, so it's only reasonable to assume a lot of documents came there in order to reach him in the first place and when he was done, well: "Where shall I put this classified document for now?" - "Put them in that box over there for now, we'll grab em later." and then were promptly forgotten.

[pilight]

I already knew they were completely unprincipled liars, but the 180 from demanding the warrant be released to demanding the warrant not be released and insisting all the evidence they found was planted without even blinking caught me off guard.

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.

...or something like that

[hammerofglass]

I already knew they were completely unprincipled liars, but the 180 from demanding the warrant be released to demanding the warrant not be released and insisting all the evidence they found was planted without even blinking caught me off guard.

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.

...or something like that

Honestly I don't give MAGA Qultists that benefit of the doubt anymore. I don't think they believe a word of it. Not the people selling it, not the people buying it. It's just a game to them, and they will destroy the lives of the rest of us with a song in their heart just to keep playing.

[Riedquat]

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.

...or something like that

Need to be careful with that one, since we're living in a time where people have a tendency to descend in to simplistic black and white extremes and label anything else as being inconsistent.

[Thebestoftherest]

I do wonder if learning he compromising our nukes might be enough for 45 to fall face first on a knife.

[McAvoy]

If the takeaway from the past couple of years is, that he's a complete moron, than you haven't been paying attention. He's a terribly incompetent businessman, yes, but he's quite adapt at reading and manipulating people. If his father wouldn't have tried to make him a business-mogul, Trump would've made an excellent preacher or politician. He's a natural con-man.

Either that or you have to believe he's a complete moron and only was kept in power due to grey eminences proping him up.

I don't believe in grey elements or any other conspiracy theory. I believe that Trump did nothing more than to find a way to speak to a particular group of disenfranchised people like they have never been spoken to before. I believe that group to be mostly comprised of blue collar Americans who have lost their jobs to globalisation, diversification and AI, and conservative Christians who see the idealised 1950s as being the pinnacle of the USA.

I would say that parts of America sleepwalked into Trump. The establishment did not realise/did not care about the fire that had been brewing in the bellies of these demographics and instead went for the continuity candidate in Hillary Clinton who in many ways represented everything that these groups resented. By the time the Democrats realised the joke candidate was sweeping the polls it was far too late.

People WANT to believe his lies because they WANT to believe his message (fabricated as it may be). The danger is not actually that Trump runs again, the danger is that someone who is actually competent who shares his views takes his place.

Right now one of the wet dreams for pro-Trump supporters is for Trump to run again and win. Then Florida Governor Ron DeSantis to run in 2028 for eight years. Right now DeSantis is a strong candidate for the presidency and he does share alot of views as Trump supporters. And he is competent at least in comparison to Trump himself.

[McAvoy]

I do wonder if learning he compromising our nukes might be enough for 45 to fall face first on a knife.

Lmao fuck no!

Do you think Trump would ever sacrifice himself to anything but himself? I bet if he knew that by sacrificing one or all of his kids to get the presidency again that he would do it?

He never takes blame. He always has shifted it someone else as if they were the ones who were wrong or failed. He has been doing that in all of his failed business ventures.

Fuck, if there was a nuclear war that Trump caused, I got $1000 if he survived that he would try to rewrite the history books saying it wasn't him but someone else who pressed the button.

[Thebestoftherest]

I mean, he not the only a moral person in Politics, someone might decide to end his time on this Earth Early. I mean someone might try to kill him and claim it was an accident.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up. This entire man's presidential history was a series of "he can't possibly get away with this!" moments.

But if he actually sees consequences for the first time in his life and this is where it starts, I'll be overjoyed. I'm just not going to believe it until he's actually sentenced.