The Mar A Lago Raid

[CharlesPhipps]

There's also: Negligence. Trump's favourite spot was Mar-A-Lago, so it's only reasonable to assume a lot of documents came there in order to reach him in the first place and when he was done, well: "Where shall I put this classified document for now?" - "Put them in that box over there for now, we'll grab em later." and then were promptly forgotten.

I mean, no, because these documents were never supposed to be removed from the White House in the first place. This is highly illegal and will get you fired or prison time to remove far less sensitive things in the military from their storage space. Also, Trump WAS given the benefit of the doubt when the National Archives politely asked for them back and got 19 boxes.

It's only when a snitch said they'd kept more documents that they did a raid.

Need to be careful with that one, since we're living in a time where people have a tendency to descend in to simplistic black and white extremes and label anything else as being inconsistent.

I'm curious what the point that you stop cutting people slack should be, though, with someone as awful, corrupt, criminal, and incompetent as Trump. I wouldn't give George Wallace voters any slack and I'm not sure why at this point I should people who support a guy who admits to stealing from children and veterans or his supporters.

At what point do we say, "Enough is enough. The other side is the one in the wrong and not misunderstood but actively malicious."?

I mean, the support rallies to Trump's defense without any evidence and even after the words "mishandled nuclear secrets" are used.

Right now one of the wet dreams for pro-Trump supporters is for Trump to run again and win. Then Florida Governor Ron DeSantis to run in 2028 for eight years. Right now DeSantis is a strong candidate for the presidency and he does share alot of views as Trump supporters. And he is competent at least in comparison to Trump himself.

Speaking as a man with many Floridian friends, I feel like the GOP is drinking their own Kool Aid with DeSantis because he was barely elected in Florida, a super-red state. I'm not sure why people assume he's someone who will appeal to the rest of the country more. He also probably would lose a re-election in Florida because, well, he got a non-insignificant number of his supporters killed.

[Riedquat]

I'm curious what the point that you stop cutting people slack should be, though, with someone as awful, corrupt, criminal, and incompetent as Trump. I wouldn't give George Wallace voters any slack and I'm not sure why at this point I should people who support a guy who admits to stealing from children and veterans or his supporters.

I'm not giving Trump any slack at all here, but just because he is what he is doesn't make every argument against him valid, and I particularly dislike ones that try to attack by engaging in similar sorts of thinking, albeit with a very different foundation.

[hammerofglass]

If you or I were caught with SCI documents we would have been tortured in a basement somewhere until we revealed how we did it and gave up anyone who worked with us, then executed as a spy. That is well beyond the "not fucking around" threshold of official secrets.

[CharlesPhipps]

I'm not giving Trump any slack at all here, but just because he is what he is doesn't make every argument against him valid, and I particularly dislike ones that try to attack by engaging in similar sorts of thinking, albeit with a very different foundation.

Perhaps but the foundation is, "I believe you are a bad person because you are supporting a horrific man who supports bad things and calls for violence against people like me or my friends."

[pilight]

I do wonder if learning he compromising our nukes might be enough for 45 to fall face first on a knife.

It's more likely he would flee the country if he thought he might get prison time

[McAvoy]

I mean, he not the only a moral person in Politics, someone might decide to end his time on this Earth Early. I mean someone might try to kill him and claim it was an accident.

I wouldn't. It will be almost guaranteed to make him a martyr. His supporters are already very distrustful of the government especially with the ones that have at one point another attacked Trump.

It could cause large riots with his supporters and they would get violent quick.

He is a large man for a person in his late 70's, eats like a pre-teen, and I am sure his temper doesn't help either.

[hammerofglass]

Breitbart just doxxed the officers involved. There might be a reason to do that other than painting targets for domestic terrorists, but I can't think of any.

[CharlesPhipps]

Breitbart just doxxed the officers involved. There might be a reason to do that other than painting targets for domestic terrorists, but I can't think of any.

I feel like this is when you should start rounding up people and arresting them. Threats against FBI agents and their families is a crime.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/115

[Thebestoftherest]

I mean, he not the only a moral person in Politics, someone might decide to end his time on this Earth Early. I mean someone might try to kill him and claim it was an accident.

I wouldn't. It will be almost guaranteed to make him a martyr. His supporters are already very distrustful of the government especially with the ones that have at one point another attacked Trump.

It could cause large riots with his supporters and they would get violent quick.

He is a large man for a person in his late 70's, eats like a pre-teen, and I am sure his temper doesn't help either.

I mean if they did it, it be an accident.

[McAvoy]

I mean, he not the only a moral person in Politics, someone might decide to end his time on this Earth Early. I mean someone might try to kill him and claim it was an accident.

I wouldn't. It will be almost guaranteed to make him a martyr. His supporters are already very distrustful of the government especially with the ones that have at one point another attacked Trump.

It could cause large riots with his supporters and they would get violent quick.

He is a large man for a person in his late 70's, eats like a pre-teen, and I am sure his temper doesn't help either.

I mean if they did it, it be an accident.

Perhaps. It would also involve a spine to assassinating the former president and a great plan to make it look like one. Which I think they can just wait until his heart blows up.