House of the Dragon 1x01 "Heirs of the Dragon"

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CharlesPhipps wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:51 pm
McAvoy wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:41 pm Possible that people were rewatching due to House of the Dragon. Are there figures for previous months or even years since the finale?
The article was from June of this year.
Yes I know. I am talking about viewing trends between when it ended and now. As in has the June trend that was indicated in the article a result of the new series or Game of Thrones just has been that popular since the ending.

I wouldn't be surprised that there might have been an uptick after the finale with some people watching it to see what the big deal is about with the final season and some watching because now the series is complete.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:22 pm Well generally I think everyone did an okay job with the standouts being Paddy Considine who plays a nuanced and likable guy who is stuck with a job he is manifestly unqualified for but is managing to not fuck it up nearly as much as most kings by simply avoiding getting into any wars or major conflicts.
I pretty much agree with everything you said except that I was even more impressed by Paddy Considine than you were who pretty much carried that entire first episode on his shoulders, and was cooler on Matt Smith. He had his moments like when he's spying on the small council, but I don't think he's anywhere near pilot Tyrion or Jamie yet in terms of being an instant draw like they were. I think it's not helping that his character feels far too much like Martin going well I came up with the original pitch for Jamie I didn't actually use in the main series, then just changing the name and the hair and then putting him back a century or two.
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Went to watch the pilot with zero expectations. Thankfully it's off to a good start, though it's far too early to call it good. There was too much exposition most of the time, and since the series focused almost entirely on King's Landing, the entire world feels kind of small. I suppose I might be thinking this way because the GoT pilot had multiple POVs from different locations, so a comparison to that is inevitable.

Still, if the entire show will only focus on King's Landing it'd be kind of boring, not only cause the same place was explored to death in GoT, but one of the main highlights of the main series was the interaction between extremely different characters coming from different worlds. Except for Otto Hightower and Daemon Targaryen, the other characters don't have any memorable screen presence, so I'm not sure what their story arc will be.
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Episode 2 was much improved I thought. I like the characters more, some of the scenes were genuinely striking in how they were shot, the garden walk was jaw-droppingly hilariously wrong, and the plot is beginning to go in some interesting places.
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They're doing a lot of time skips around but that's pretty much inevitable given they decided to do essentially twenty years of backstory before the actual civil war that they arguably should have started with.
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Viewership saw an increase for episode 2, so I guess people are enjoying this one.

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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON 1×02 “THE ROGUE PRINCE” is, as the title indicates, the second episode of the House of the Dragon series from HBO. The prequel to Game of Thrones, it is a chronicle of the Dance of the Dragons civil war detailed in George R.R. Martin’s Fire and Blood. I very much was excited for this episode and started writing my review as soon as I finished watching it for the second time. Why twice? Because one view isn’t enough.

The first thing that I must comment on is the fact that the new opener is fantastic with a drizzle of blood moving through King Viserys’ model of Old Valyria. It’s a sign that everything is going to be even more ominous and nasty than Game of Thrones. The theme music is the same from Game of Thrones, which is a bit like reusing the Star Wars theme. Yes, it’s not original but it’s hard to top perfection.

This is an action-less episode as it instead focuses on King Viserys and his choice to wed a new bride after the death of his beloved Aemma Arryn. Unfortunately, the best candidate for him to wed is the twelve-year-old daughter of Corys Velaryon. This is something that no one else seems to have a problem with while Viserys, to his credit, is viscerally disgusted by the prospect of.

Unfortunately, Viserys doesn’t win any points with the fact he is willing to marry a girl his daughter’s age. I think with things like the recent Baptist Church, Utah Church, and Matt Gaetz scandals that this is unfortunately topical and shouldn’t remotely be topical. I also lost a lot of respect for Corys for the exact same thing that Otto Hightower was doing (i.e. pimping his daughter) except even worse due to her age. Mind you, Viserys should have tried to heal the rift by marrying Rhaenyra to Laenor, his son, or at least made a betrothal with them. Rhaenyra as a married monarch is something that would be less controversial among the Lords of Westeros.

Viserys trying to stand up for himself by marrying an actual woman and yet playing into Ser Otto’s hands is an interesting character beat. It shows that he wants to be powerful but he’s really a puppet and desperate for Otto’s approval. The fact that “I cannot permit you to go” from Otto WORKS when Viserys is about to confront his brother is something no Targaryen or king should have tolerated.

Speaking of which, the next major plot point is Daemon Targaryen attempting to get his brother’s attention by stealing a dragon egg, taking over Dragonstone, and claiming he plans to marry a second wife in violation of the Faith. It fails spectacularly and only avoids becoming a massacre of the King’s Hand and his guard due to the timely intervention of Rhaenyra. It’s also a clear sign to Otto that she’s not the meek puppet her father is and is unsuitable as a potential monarch for the same reason that Daemon isn’t: they won’t be his pawns.

I truly believe Ser Otto didn’t think Rhaenyra would rule or attempt to assert her authority. In retrospect, it’s clear they’re going with the idea that Ser Otto believed she’d be another Viserys he could control assuming that she became queen before Viserys married his daughter. The fact she asserts herself as much as she does sets the stages for his betrayal–with the Kingsguard, her speaking up, and of course her rescuing him on dragonback.

Really, I liked that Otto Hightower was within minutes of being killed by Daemon and all of his men when the dragon blasted them because, of course, Otto wouldn’t back down. It’s a sign that Otto isn’t nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is outside of his comfort zone. He’s so used to being the King (rather than the Hand of the King) that he utterly underestimated how far Daemon would go. It was a nice, “Power is power.”

I think I like Alicent’s character arc here as she’s being forced into the scheming role by her father but is clearly anxiety ridden and terrified of all the repercussions that might hit her. I actually kind of think this is a valid take on her character from the books because we think of the scheming Cersei-like Alicent a lot but we don’t think of her, “kindly nurse Alicent who used to read to Old King Joe.” Still, she doesn’t want to marry Viserys but is being forced to seduce him in sweet ways that amount to faking interest in his Warhammer 40K models.

I enjoyed the fact that I got to hear some more dialogue from Mysaria, Daemon’s mistress, but it is done in a terrible “Essos” accent that I think really distracts from the actress’ performance. Still, it’s nice to have any Smallfolk or commoner’s perspective on these sorts of things. I also like how she points out that Daemon’s antics won’t get him killed but might get her killed.

In conclusion, this is a solid episode, but I think the lack of humor and action is a bit of an issue. We could have used a more humorous set of characters to provide levity to the storyline. The fact that so much is spent on child brides and build-up for the inevitable Dance of the Dragons is also a bit of an issue. I can’t help but wonder if they might have been better served by starting with the beginning of the conflict with all of this as backstory.

8/10
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Mabus wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:57 pm Went to watch the pilot with zero expectations. Thankfully it's off to a good start, though it's far too early to call it good. There was too much exposition most of the time, and since the series focused almost entirely on King's Landing, the entire world feels kind of small. I suppose I might be thinking this way because the GoT pilot had multiple POVs from different locations, so a comparison to that is inevitable.

Still, if the entire show will only focus on King's Landing it'd be kind of boring, not only cause the same place was explored to death in GoT, but one of the main highlights of the main series was the interaction between extremely different characters coming from different worlds. Except for Otto Hightower and Daemon Targaryen, the other characters don't have any memorable screen presence, so I'm not sure what their story arc will be.
Oh it will expand once the series gets deep into it.

The viewpoints are still pretty much focused at Kings Landing since everyone is there. It will spread out soon enough.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:54 pm https://unitedfederationofcharles.blogs ... eview.html

HOUSE OF THE DRAGON 1×02 “THE ROGUE PRINCE” is, as the title indicates, the second episode of the House of the Dragon series from HBO. The prequel to Game of Thrones, it is a chronicle of the Dance of the Dragons civil war detailed in George R.R. Martin’s Fire and Blood. I very much was excited for this episode and started writing my review as soon as I finished watching it for the second time. Why twice? Because one view isn’t enough.

The first thing that I must comment on is the fact that the new opener is fantastic with a drizzle of blood moving through King Viserys’ model of Old Valyria. It’s a sign that everything is going to be even more ominous and nasty than Game of Thrones. The theme music is the same from Game of Thrones, which is a bit like reusing the Star Wars theme. Yes, it’s not original but it’s hard to top perfection.

This is an action-less episode as it instead focuses on King Viserys and his choice to wed a new bride after the death of his beloved Aemma Arryn. Unfortunately, the best candidate for him to wed is the twelve-year-old daughter of Corys Velaryon. This is something that no one else seems to have a problem with while Viserys, to his credit, is viscerally disgusted by the prospect of.

Unfortunately, Viserys doesn’t win any points with the fact he is willing to marry a girl his daughter’s age. I think with things like the recent Baptist Church, Utah Church, and Matt Gaetz scandals that this is unfortunately topical and shouldn’t remotely be topical. I also lost a lot of respect for Corys for the exact same thing that Otto Hightower was doing (i.e. pimping his daughter) except even worse due to her age. Mind you, Viserys should have tried to heal the rift by marrying Rhaenyra to Laenor, his son, or at least made a betrothal with them. Rhaenyra as a married monarch is something that would be less controversial among the Lords of Westeros.

Viserys trying to stand up for himself by marrying an actual woman and yet playing into Ser Otto’s hands is an interesting character beat. It shows that he wants to be powerful but he’s really a puppet and desperate for Otto’s approval. The fact that “I cannot permit you to go” from Otto WORKS when Viserys is about to confront his brother is something no Targaryen or king should have tolerated.

Speaking of which, the next major plot point is Daemon Targaryen attempting to get his brother’s attention by stealing a dragon egg, taking over Dragonstone, and claiming he plans to marry a second wife in violation of the Faith. It fails spectacularly and only avoids becoming a massacre of the King’s Hand and his guard due to the timely intervention of Rhaenyra. It’s also a clear sign to Otto that she’s not the meek puppet her father is and is unsuitable as a potential monarch for the same reason that Daemon isn’t: they won’t be his pawns.

I truly believe Ser Otto didn’t think Rhaenyra would rule or attempt to assert her authority. In retrospect, it’s clear they’re going with the idea that Ser Otto believed she’d be another Viserys he could control assuming that she became queen before Viserys married his daughter. The fact she asserts herself as much as she does sets the stages for his betrayal–with the Kingsguard, her speaking up, and of course her rescuing him on dragonback.

Really, I liked that Otto Hightower was within minutes of being killed by Daemon and all of his men when the dragon blasted them because, of course, Otto wouldn’t back down. It’s a sign that Otto isn’t nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is outside of his comfort zone. He’s so used to being the King (rather than the Hand of the King) that he utterly underestimated how far Daemon would go. It was a nice, “Power is power.”

I think I like Alicent’s character arc here as she’s being forced into the scheming role by her father but is clearly anxiety ridden and terrified of all the repercussions that might hit her. I actually kind of think this is a valid take on her character from the books because we think of the scheming Cersei-like Alicent a lot but we don’t think of her, “kindly nurse Alicent who used to read to Old King Joe.” Still, she doesn’t want to marry Viserys but is being forced to seduce him in sweet ways that amount to faking interest in his Warhammer 40K models.

I enjoyed the fact that I got to hear some more dialogue from Mysaria, Daemon’s mistress, but it is done in a terrible “Essos” accent that I think really distracts from the actress’ performance. Still, it’s nice to have any Smallfolk or commoner’s perspective on these sorts of things. I also like how she points out that Daemon’s antics won’t get him killed but might get her killed.

In conclusion, this is a solid episode, but I think the lack of humor and action is a bit of an issue. We could have used a more humorous set of characters to provide levity to the storyline. The fact that so much is spent on child brides and build-up for the inevitable Dance of the Dragons is also a bit of an issue. I can’t help but wonder if they might have been better served by starting with the beginning of the conflict with all of this as backstory.

8/10
You know when I was watching this episode I had a feeling that something was missing. Something GoT had, that this one is missing.

Your last paragraph may be it. Its missing its quips, it's barbs, dark humor that Tyrion had. It might be this. It perhaps because right now we don't have a true or vaguely true good guy bad guy dynamic.

Rhaenyra perhaps at this point. A female where everyone is trying to rob her of the throne because she is female.

Pretty much everyone in this new series is serious.
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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON episode 1 is available for free from Youtube for awhile. I think this is good for people who want to give it a try without getting HBO.

https://youtu.be/XrMdo8jF5Dg
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