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Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:40 am
It's going to be interesting if the UK survives the great gouging. Because the kind of food and utility shortages they're going to be facing this winter are the kind of thing that can destroy countries.
I've seen no significant evidence of food shortages. The local supermarket is a little down on choice (might be related to a refurb it's been having), but absolutely no sign of an overall lack.
If the UK suffers from utility shortages to that degree then Europe's going to get it even worse. The UK wasn't very dependent on Russian gas, and has more LNG import capability than most countries in Europe. Germany's the place in trouble there. It's going to be hard for an awful lot of people because of the prices but there's no reason to believe there's going to be an actual major supply issue.
Where do these strange ideas about the UK come from?
clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:37 am
Part of the problem is that Millennials and Gen z have had it too damn comfortable and easy for too damn long and I say that as a Millennial. This isn't the first time this has happened, it was just as bad in the 1970s when essentially decades of post-war recession and the collapse of the Empire finally reached their zenith. But those people were used to toughing it out. They remember war, they remember rationing, they remember a world before the NHS and unions.
30 and younger today? They don't know what real struggle is they merely think that they do. And boy-oh-boy are they about to learn just how good the 1990s-2010s actually were now that the 1970s have returned.
And worst of all, what the modern generation has done (and we saw this in the 2008 crash too) is live on credit cards. If you are thousands of pounds in debt then you are screwed whenever any hardship comes along.
Soft times breed soft people, hard times breed hard people. That's the way it works. And times are a-changin' to the point that these soft people need to grow up. Or as you say, countries collapse.
The equivalent cohort of the Millenials and boomers didn't remember a time before unions and the NHS. During the winter of Discontent the oldest of them would have been 12 when the NHS was founded, so almost none of them remember the war at all. If anything it's the reverse, the equivalent cohort of Silent Generation and boomers took things like unions and the NHS for granted so were willing to back those that would start dismantling them out of convience.
This is actually worse than rationing, because rationing exists to make sure scarce resources can be distributed as equitably as possible, what's happening now is that price gouging is leaving the poor to die.
Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:47 pm
Apparently a petition to have a vote to keep Boris as PM is nearing 10,000 votes, which is the required amount to bring such a vote about.
A vote for who to keep him? It's a matter for the Conservative Party not Parliament.
So there exists a publically available list of 10,000 people, whose opinion nobody should ever give a damn about ever again, except to point and laugh at them whenever they dare open their mouths. That's good, isn't it?
"If you get shot up by an A6M Reisen and your plane splits into pieces - does that mean it's divided by Zero?
- xoxSAUERKRAUTxox
The only thing my Google-fu found is a petition from a month ago to add his name to the choices for new party leader that fell apart when he said he didn't want to.
Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:47 pm
Apparently a petition to have a vote to keep Boris as PM is nearing 10,000 votes, which is the required amount to bring such a vote about.
A vote for who to keep him? It's a matter for the Conservative Party not Parliament.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:49 pm
So there exists a publically available list of 10,000 people, whose opinion nobody should ever give a damn about ever again, except to point and laugh at them whenever they dare open their mouths. That's good, isn't it?
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:16 pm
The only thing my Google-fu found is a petition from a month ago to add his name to the choices for new party leader that fell apart when he said he didn't want to.
Disgruntled Tory members are seeking to force a rule change to allow party members a veto on whether to accept Boris Johnson’s resignation. A petition, being run on the ConservativePost website has been signed by 8,700 Tory members – according to reports in The Telegraph.
The Conservative Party’s rulebook allows for proposals to amend the party’s constitution to be initiated by a petition signed by 10,000 party members. That means the party could be forced to change its rules if a further 1,300 members add their name to the petition.
A former treasurer of the Conservative Party – Lord Cruddas – is driving the petition. He told The Telegraph, “I believe it is only a matter of time before the 10,000 threshold is met. We have had 250 new signatures in the last 24 hours that look legitimate. The ballot will still go ahead regardless of who is elected. We want a simple ballot on whether to accept Johnson’s resignation regardless of who the new leader is. If members vote not to accept Johnson’s resignation, that would leave the new leader in an untenable position. They would have been elected against the wishes of members.”
The petition reads, “I accept that there are current rules in place that we will have a choice between the final two candidates but that is not the point because our first choice has been removed without our involvement”, and concludes with, “I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election.”
According to The Telegraph, a spokesperson for the Conservative Party said, “Neither the constitution or rules of this leadership election can be changed retrospectively.”
Recent polling from Opinium found that a substantial majority of both Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak supporters would prefer Johnson to stay on as prime minister.
The sheer number of Tory members seeking to change the rulebook to allow Johnson to stay on as PM is bad news for both Truss and Sunak. A significant chunk of the party membership is trying to cling on to the disgraced outgoing premier is hardly a ringing endorsement for either of the candidates in the running…
Basically, the ordinary Conservative party member seems to prefer Boris Johnson to either of the candidates, and don't their pick for party leader is being replaced against their wishes.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:12 pm
Millenials and Gen Z has it too easy? Really? Is that your final verdict? The generations which haven't seen a pay increase in literal decades despite increasing productivity? The generations which famously live with their parents until they are fourty, because they can't aford even an apartement near their working space? The first generations which will have to live through the whole planet's climate-change, thanks to the Boomers making it impossible to progress away from traditional "values" and points of views and who are still dominating politics both due to the shere amount of votes they get in relation to the ever shrinking follow-up generations and because they have more politicians their age than any other generation? Not to even talk about what eastern Millenials and Gen Z went through when the Soviet Bloc collapsed... For many of us Millenials and Gen Zs, this is literally the first time in their life where they, as a work-force, are in a position of power due to a wide spread of lack of available hands in all industries. Some of us had to wait 40 years for that...
Agreed. If anything, circumstances may be on a slight upswing. If we can finally get the Cold War relics unlashed from the damn wheel, we MIGHT be able to right the ship. I hope...
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:12 pm
Millenials and Gen Z has it too easy? Really? Is that your final verdict? The generations which haven't seen a pay increase in literal decades despite increasing productivity? The generations which famously live with their parents until they are fourty, because they can't aford even an apartement near their working space? The first generations which will have to live through the whole planet's climate-change, thanks to the Boomers making it impossible to progress away from traditional "values" and points of views and who are still dominating politics both due to the shere amount of votes they get in relation to the ever shrinking follow-up generations and because they have more politicians their age than any other generation? Not to even talk about what eastern Millenials and Gen Z went through when the Soviet Bloc collapsed... For many of us Millenials and Gen Zs, this is literally the first time in their life where they, as a work-force, are in a position of power due to a wide spread of lack of available hands in all industries. Some of us had to wait 40 years for that...
Agreed. If anything, circumstances may be on a slight upswing. If we can finally get the Cold War relics unlashed from the damn wheel, we MIGHT be able to right the ship. I hope...
Have you seen the Finnish prime minister this week, dancing drunk, possibly on drugs, her mates flashing their tits on camera and then bursting out into tears during an apology like a little girl? If this is what the future looks like then kill me now.
Those Cold War relics know what professionalism looks like at least.
