Swtor Jedi knight

[Madner Kami]

But it seemingly runs on narcissism, hedonism and purely mercenary self and special interests.

That describes both entities equally well.

[hammerofglass]

To be fair anyone not acting pleased to see a Sith would be killed out of hand.

[Thebestoftherest]

Most people seen pleased to see a sith would be kill out of hand.

[Madner Kami]

That's the thing though, isn't it? The Imperial Agent's story makes it very clear: The Empire is about rules and law and order, except if a Sith is involved. And given it's the Empire, Sith are involved everywhere, making the point about the Empire being about law and order moot, as there wouldn't be an Empire without the Sith. The Empire is just a vehicle and a flock of pawns for the Sith's power fantasies.

[CharlesPhipps]

The Empire may be objectively evil. But it is run on a structure of rules and order. The Republic may supposedly be good. But it seemingly runs on narcissism, hedonism and purely mercenary self and special interests. It really is Portland or California.

I dunno, a large chunk of the Sith Imperial questlines are about what utter shit the Sith are at ruling. It also climaxes with the capital of the Sith being annihilated by the Sith Emperor because, well, he's an evil asshole who wants to be a god.

There's a reason the Sith fight each other as much as the Republic.

It's also why Darth Malgus and Darth Marr and YOUR character are pretty much the only reason the Sith Empire is left standing afterward.

[stellar_coyote]

Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kssEhD7C8

You know, we've gone 4 episodes and still no Solid Snake joke. We must be slipping.

Anyway, one thing that's often overlooked is the human-centric government of the Empire and indeed the Sith.
Just hundreds of different species in the galaxy but unless you're human or Sith pureblood, you'll be a second-class citizen at best. Chuck covered some of that in the Sith Inquisitor storyline but I think it bears repeating.

[Thebestoftherest]

I do wonder what the them for the jedi will be.

Based on my first time Jedi/Republic playthrough? The "Good Guys" are a dysfunctional disaster. The Jedi Academy suffers more incidents of child neglect than Hogwarts. The Republic Senate and Republic Military are each more corrupt than their Russian Counterparts. And the Republic in general is Portland.

It's kind of hilarious when you see them side by side. The Imperial Capital is a clean beautiful city, located in a lush green forest. The people are happy and prosperous. Whereas the Republic Capital is Hell. It's a dystopian concrete nightmare of never ending buildings with no sun and no greenery. It's filled with gangs, refugees, drug users and homeless lunatics. When a Sith shows up the locals are polite respectful and oddly happy to see them. They know the Sith will solve all their problems. Whereas when a Jedi shows up the locals view them like they're the office Janitor, who smells of odd chemicals and shit.

The Empire may be objectively evil. But it is run on a structure of rules and order. The Republic may supposedly be good. But it seemingly runs on narcissism, hedonism and purely mercenary self and special interests. It really is Portland or California.

You could argue that they are putting all the money and resources to make the place that the sith are to be great while everyone else in the empire suffer, while the Republic does try to help others even if that isn't perfect.

[MightyDavidson]

I do wonder what the them for the jedi will be.

Based on my first time Jedi/Republic playthrough? The "Good Guys" are a dysfunctional disaster. The Jedi Academy suffers more incidents of child neglect than Hogwarts. The Republic Senate and Republic Military are each more corrupt than their Russian Counterparts. And the Republic in general is Portland.

It's kind of hilarious when you see them side by side. The Imperial Capital is a clean beautiful city, located in a lush green forest. The people are happy and prosperous. Whereas the Republic Capital is Hell. It's a dystopian concrete nightmare of never ending buildings with no sun and no greenery. It's filled with gangs, refugees, drug users and homeless lunatics. When a Sith shows up the locals are polite respectful and oddly happy to see them. They know the Sith will solve all their problems. Whereas when a Jedi shows up the locals view them like they're the office Janitor, who smells of odd chemicals and shit.

The Empire may be objectively evil. But it is run on a structure of rules and order. The Republic may supposedly be good. But it seemingly runs on narcissism, hedonism and purely mercenary self and special interests. It really is Portland or California.

You could argue that they are putting all the money and resources to make the place that the sith are to be great while everyone else in the empire suffer, while the Republic does try to help others even if that isn't perfect.

Also it's clearly not pleasant for everybody given that there's an active revolt among the citizenry in the capital when you arrive. To say nothing of the rogue Sith trying to start up a civil war.

[griffeytrek]

That's the thing though, isn't it? The Imperial Agent's story makes it very clear: The Empire is about rules and law and order, except if a Sith is involved. And given it's the Empire, Sith are involved everywhere, making the point about the Empire being about law and order moot, as there wouldn't be an Empire without the Sith. The Empire is just a vehicle and a flock of pawns for the Sith's power fantasies.

But at least in the empire the Sith are mostly in their private enclave's and worlds, scheming against each other. Playing through both Sith stories you can't help but think of Terry Pratchett's Wizard's. Self segregated to where they can mostly just watch each other in paranoia. Whereby the Imperial Normies get on with running the place mostly by doing their best to ignore the more insane things the Sith come up with. The average Imperial Citizen has probably never seen an actual Sith. But from the Imperial Citizen's point of view they live in a fairly ordered lawful society otherwise. With a substantially higher standard of living than the Republic. The empire has money to spend and it seemingly trickles down. Granted the Empire has some horrifying solutions for the homeless problem, and drug use. although there approach to mental health issues, "send them to Koriban and give them a lightsaber" is certainly interesting.

In contrast the Republic seems wildly dysfunctional. Rampant with corruption and graft while the regular people suffer. Coruscant IS Portland or Seattle. Just about everyone you meet in the Republic is or at least starts out as an asshole. The Republic makes the Hutt's look like the saner choice for governance. The Jedi Master's are powerful, but lethargic and disinterested. "just send another Padawan to deal with whatever it is". The Republic Military is badly led and useless bordering on open mutiny at times. We've got story arcs of commanders selling off their men's food supplies.

The Sith are something the people try to just walk gingerly around hoping it won't notice them. But the scariest words in the Galaxy would appear to be "I'm from the Jedi and I'm here to help".

[CharlesPhipps]

The Sith are something the people try to just walk gingerly around hoping it won't notice them. But the scariest words in the Galaxy would appear to be "I'm from the Jedi and I'm here to help".

As we see with Chuck and the Jedi Knight, the Jedi are literally the only reason the Republic isn't a complete clusterfuck.

They're always cleaning up after the messes of superweapons and other nonsense.