VOY - Gravity

[clearspira]

Nos is a less interesting (and squeakier) version of the woman with the white face and tattoos from Star Trek Beyond. Kind of a pity about Lori Petty's career though. ''Tank Girl'' could have been a good film, and probably would have been ten years later.

[Fianna]

Mentioned this in the YouTube comments, but I wonder if, as Trek went on, their tendency to look down on Vulcan logic/stoicism derives from the same philosophy that prized "rural simplicity" over the franchise's traditional high-tech ideals. Leaning more towards the Romanticism side of the Romanticism vs. Enlightenment debate.

[pilight]

"Tank Girl" is a good film. it could have been a great one with less studio interference.

[Deledrius]

Mentioned this in the YouTube comments, but I wonder if, as Trek went on, their tendency to look down on Vulcan logic/stoicism derives from the same philosophy that prized "rural simplicity" over the franchise's traditional high-tech ideals. Leaning more towards the Romanticism side of the Romanticism vs. Enlightenment debate.

I think you might have something there.

[Frustration]

Mentioned this in the YouTube comments, but I wonder if, as Trek went on, their tendency to look down on Vulcan logic/stoicism derives from the same philosophy that prized "rural simplicity" over the franchise's traditional high-tech ideals. Leaning more towards the Romanticism side of the Romanticism vs. Enlightenment debate.

I think it's much simpler than that - I think Trek has been slowly taken over by anti-Intellectualism, both in terms of the beliefs of the people making it and in attempts to broaden the appeal of the franchise to the general American public.

[pilight]

Trek always looked down on Vulcans and logic. TOS was all about Kirk solving problems by going against Spock's recommendations, often with a fistfight. TNG was all about how limited the purely logical, unemotional Data was and how he found that life to be unfulfilling. Certainly DS9 was anti-Vulcan.

[CrypticMirror]

Trek always looked down on Vulcans and logic. TOS was all about Kirk solving problems by going against Spock's recommendations, often with a fistfight. TNG was all about how limited the purely logical, unemotional Data was and how he found that life to be unfulfilling. Certainly DS9 was anti-Vulcan.

DS9 started the whole douchebag Vulcans thing in that bloody softball episode, that ENT went and ran with, but in TOS it was about Kirk tempering his emotions with logic. The reason it worked was Spock was overly logical, and McCoy was over emotional, and Kirk drew from both to find the fusion. Which, admittedly, sometimes ended with a fistfight, but if Kirk just dismissed Spock's logic and ran with his gut all the time then the Enterprise would have been spacedust countless times. It was about needing both emotion and logic, but never letting either completely dominate. And Kirk took the mick out of McCoy for being OTT emotional plenty times too. He just knew he needed both.

[Riedquat]

Mentioned this in the YouTube comments, but I wonder if, as Trek went on, their tendency to look down on Vulcan logic/stoicism derives from the same philosophy that prized "rural simplicity" over the franchise's traditional high-tech ideals. Leaning more towards the Romanticism side of the Romanticism vs. Enlightenment debate.

I think it's much simpler than that - I think Trek has been slowly taken over by anti-Intellectualism, both in terms of the beliefs of the people making it and in attempts to broaden the appeal of the franchise to the general American public.

If it was that it would be sneering at the scientists for being scientists, it would be attacking anyone wanting to explore and study and learn, and it's not doing that.

Where it does have a bit of a problem though from time to time is not understanding people who don't think the same way we do; you could argue that to a degree even going back as far as TOS Spock was created like that, to make the humans look good, but it was done in such a way as to bring the humans up rather than push Spock down.

The whole "rural simplicity" thing is, IMO, caused by people who actually have some idea of what's important in life but haven't a bloody clue about what they're talking about when it comes to their failed portrayal of it. I think a hell of a lot of people would actually be happier in a more hands-on, less tech-obsessed, more human connected life, not crowded with people they never see in an overdeveloped concrete mess. What they wouldn't be happy with though is working to their bones dawn till dusk knee-deep in manure, so I believe it's a case with seeing the flaws in what they've got but failing to understand the flaws in their alternative, with a naivety so great it often looks like it's being set up to mock the idea.

[Thebestoftherest]

Exactly, if you want to show a culture find but so the warts and all approach. Stop trying to act like a world with low technology would be paradise.

[Madner Kami]

If it was that it would be sneering at the scientists for being scientists, it would be attacking anyone wanting to explore and study and learn, and it's not doing that.

Where it does have a bit of a problem though from time to time is not understanding people who don't think the same way we do; you could argue that to a degree even going back as far as TOS Spock was created like that, to make the humans look good, but it was done in such a way as to bring the humans up rather than push Spock down.

The whole "rural simplicity" thing is, IMO, caused by people who actually have some idea of what's important in life but haven't a bloody clue about what they're talking about when it comes to their failed portrayal of it. I think a hell of a lot of people would actually be happier in a more hands-on, less tech-obsessed, more human connected life, not crowded with people they never see in an overdeveloped concrete mess. What they wouldn't be happy with though is working to their bones dawn till dusk knee-deep in manure, so I believe it's a case with seeing the flaws in what they've got but failing to understand the flaws in their alternative, with a naivety so great it often looks like it's being set up to mock the idea.

Yeah. It's fun cos-playing Oregon Trail, until you really die of dysentery.