Voyager Scorpion

[clearspira]

There is a certain amount of Fridge Logic here though. A species capable of crossing the galaxy should have materials capable of stopping the humble Tommy gun. Unless the Borg are going for quantity over quality which is kind of antithetic towards the ''perfection'' goal. And what happened to that regenerating armour from Q-Who?

Sci-fi in general does make this mistake though. A realistic type-2 civilisation on the Kardeshev scale would laugh at 20th century small arms fire.

[Riedquat]

There is a certain amount of Fridge Logic here though. A species capable of crossing the galaxy should have materials capable of stopping the humble Tommy gun. Unless the Borg are going for quantity over quality which is kind of antithetic towards the ''perfection'' goal. And what happened to that regenerating armour from Q-Who?

Sci-fi in general does make this mistake though. A realistic type-2 civilisation on the Kardeshev scale would laugh at 20th century small arms fire.

I suppose the argumenty is "well they wouldn't be expecting it so they wouldn't bother having a defence against it", any more than any army now bothers with formulating tactics about taking castles and defending against cavalry charges. But the failure is because of why (e.g. ignoring why a cavalry charge against tanks won't get you anywhere).

[McAvoy]

There is a certain amount of Fridge Logic here though. A species capable of crossing the galaxy should have materials capable of stopping the humble Tommy gun. Unless the Borg are going for quantity over quality which is kind of antithetic towards the ''perfection'' goal. And what happened to that regenerating armour from Q-Who?

Sci-fi in general does make this mistake though. A realistic type-2 civilisation on the Kardeshev scale would laugh at 20th century small arms fire.

I suppose the argumenty is "well they wouldn't be expecting it so they wouldn't bother having a defence against it", any more than any army now bothers with formulating tactics about taking castles and defending against cavalry charges. But the failure is because of why (e.g. ignoring why a cavalry charge against tanks won't get you anywhere).

Or specifically tactics against the bow and arrow. Though the argument is basically well, bows have less range, fire slower and really need to be stationary. Wouldn't be that hard to adapt. Also finding protection against arrows isnt that difficult either. Arrows can be stopped by the average house wall.

Thinking IU logic, Picard grabbed any weapon he could find which was a holographic Tommy Gun. Borg were not expecting it but if let's say another one or two drones came through, they would have been prepared to shield against the bullets.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The drones needn't really be armor capable by general directive. They're not really soldiers for one, and they're utterly expendable in design. The "perfection goal" is pretty much the issue, but their spin on it is that it's completely towards the collective and quite literally nothing towards the individual.

Nobody can take down the collective with tommy guns. They don't need to create a defense for it, just send bigger units in bearing in mind the cost of individuals vs the benefit of the goal.

[clearspira]

Changing the subject slightly, what I do find unforgivable though is the whole "I'm going to ignore you until you kick my ass" strategy that they imploy. And that is as far back as TNG they were doing that.

How many times has this bitten them now? The abduction of Locutus, the theft of a transwarp coil, the destruction of the interplexing beacon, Archer and Reed placing bombs in their engine room...

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's an incredibly anti-human sentiment.

I think they were just getting desperate because of Hugh. They were trying to infest humans the same way through social coercion and got ambitious.

[McAvoy]

The drones needn't really be armor capable by general directive. They're not really soldiers for one, and they're utterly expendable in design. The "perfection goal" is pretty much the issue, but their spin on it is that it's completely towards the collective and quite literally nothing towards the individual.

Nobody can take down the collective with tommy guns. They don't need to create a defense for it, just send bigger units in bearing in mind the cost of individuals vs the benefit of the goal.

Borg drones has always had be curious why they are different from each other since I first saw them in TNG. Like is there a purpose behind each being different, different capabilities or is it random?

Are each drone tailored to the organic body's natural advantages and disadvantages? Or do they randomly select each person to fill a quota? We need 1 drone to fill one spot and 12 drones fill this other spot?

Or all drones perform the same function and this is just the Borg figuring out the perfect setup for drones?

I think Seven said the Hirogen makes for great tactical drones or something.

Makes you wonder what a tactical drone would look like. More armored? Heavier shields, more weapons? Augmented physical strength?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The drones needn't really be armor capable by general directive. They're not really soldiers for one, and they're utterly expendable in design. The "perfection goal" is pretty much the issue, but their spin on it is that it's completely towards the collective and quite literally nothing towards the individual.

Nobody can take down the collective with tommy guns. They don't need to create a defense for it, just send bigger units in bearing in mind the cost of individuals vs the benefit of the goal.

Borg drones has always had be curious why they are different from each other since I first saw them in TNG. Like is there a purpose behind each being different, different capabilities or is it random?

Are each drone tailored to the organic body's natural advantages and disadvantages? Or do they randomly select each person to fill a quota? We need 1 drone to fill one spot and 12 drones fill this other spot?

Or all drones perform the same function and this is just the Borg figuring out the perfect setup for drones?

I think Seven said the Hirogen makes for great tactical drones or something.

Makes you wonder what a tactical drone would look like. More armored? Heavier shields, more weapons? Augmented physical strength?

I need more specific examples. The only thing that really comes to mind, as far as what you're referring to them as being different, is like costume design or stuff that's not necessarily diegetic so to speak.

[McAvoy]

The drones needn't really be armor capable by general directive. They're not really soldiers for one, and they're utterly expendable in design. The "perfection goal" is pretty much the issue, but their spin on it is that it's completely towards the collective and quite literally nothing towards the individual.

Nobody can take down the collective with tommy guns. They don't need to create a defense for it, just send bigger units in bearing in mind the cost of individuals vs the benefit of the goal.

Borg drones has always had be curious why they are different from each other since I first saw them in TNG. Like is there a purpose behind each being different, different capabilities or is it random?

Are each drone tailored to the organic body's natural advantages and disadvantages? Or do they randomly select each person to fill a quota? We need 1 drone to fill one spot and 12 drones fill this other spot?

Or all drones perform the same function and this is just the Borg figuring out the perfect setup for drones?

I think Seven said the Hirogen makes for great tactical drones or something.

Makes you wonder what a tactical drone would look like. More armored? Heavier shields, more weapons? Augmented physical strength?

I need more specific examples. The only thing that really comes to mind, as far as what you're referring to them as being different, is like costume design or stuff that's not necessarily diegetic so to speak.

I am just talking costune design. They differ from each other so much for being drones.

[Fianna]

There are disadvantages to shielding yourself against physical attacks. If the shielding takes the form of physical armor, then you're adding extra weight and thus, inefficiency. If the shielding takes the form of a force field ... well, this isn't Dune; a force field that protects you from bullets will also likely get in the way when you want physically interact with something.

Of course, those are small problems compared to getting shot full of holes. And if people en masse started using firearms against the Borg, the Collective would presumably adjust and send in bulletproof drones. But as long as their opponents rely mainly on energy weapons, there's not much reason to take those extra measures.