The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[McAvoy]

UK media reported that Biden has already told Putin that anything even remotely nuclear will lead to the US sinking the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. Don't know how true that is though.

So are you saying that he's not even allowed to dictate commercial trade of nuclear powered energy -- even if it's done safely -- lest Biden just sends a storm of battalion upon Putin's fleet? Seems kinda aggressive, even by international doctrine.

I am sure clearspira isn't saying that.

I am sure Biden means anything that goes boom is nuclear.

Though on one side, I of course don't that to happen between Putin actually using nukes to the US further esclating things by sinking their fleet.

But at the same time, I want to see the US Navy to lay the smack down.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

UK media reported that Biden has already told Putin that anything even remotely nuclear will lead to the US sinking the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. Don't know how true that is though.

So are you saying that he's not even allowed to dictate commercial trade of nuclear powered energy -- even if it's done safely -- lest Biden just sends a storm of battalion upon Putin's fleet? Seems kinda aggressive, even by international doctrine.

I am sure clearspira isn't saying that.

I am sure Biden means anything that goes boom is nuclear.

Though on one side, I of course don't that to happen between Putin actually using nukes to the US further esclating things by sinking their fleet.

But at the same time, I want to see the US Navy to lay the smack down.

I mean, it happened in WWII with oil.

[Riedquat]

UK media reported that Biden has already told Putin that anything even remotely nuclear will lead to the US sinking the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. Don't know how true that is though.

So are you saying that he's not even allowed to dictate commercial trade of nuclear powered energy -- even if it's done safely -- lest Biden just sends a storm of battalion upon Putin's fleet? Seems kinda aggressive, even by international doctrine.

I am sure clearspira isn't saying that.

I am sure Biden means anything that goes boom is nuclear.

Though on one side, I of course don't that to happen between Putin actually using nukes to the US further esclating things by sinking their fleet.

But at the same time, I want to see the US Navy to lay the smack down.

I mean, it happened in WWII with oil.

There wasn't the risk of all-out everyone dies nuclear war in WWII.

[clearspira]

Found this, thought it was funny lol.

[Madner Kami]

Raised NATO unity & commitment to destruction of Russia to unprecedented levels

I dispute that NATO's goal is the destruction of Russia. NATO's goal is a defence of the treaty's area or countries. Destruction of Russia becomes a goal however, if Russia attacks NATO-territory. Otherwise nobody gave a rat's arse about Russia.

At the same time, this point is so true that it's hard to find words to describe what an utter disaster Putin has steered Russia into. NATO has been a treaty looking for a reason to exist ever since the Soviet Union's collapse. The recent arguement between Trump and NATO-countries was very exemplary of it. Every country agreed to spend a certain part of their GDP for the (common) defence and basically no european country met that goal even remotely and nobody but Trump cared. Anti-NATO-sentiments (substantially stoked with russian money, but that's besides the point) were at an all-time high and the "quiet quitting" of NATO was on the horizon. If he had waited just five or ten more years, NATO wouldn't have existed anymore and the delivery of military goods to Ukraine just would not have happened either.

[Riedquat]

Raised NATO unity & commitment to destruction of Russia to unprecedented levels

I dispute that NATO's goal is the destruction of Russia. NATO's goal is a defence of the treaty's area or countries. Destruction of Russia becomes a goal however, if Russia attacks NATO-territory. Otherwise nobody gave a rat's arse about Russia.

Putin never understood that though. After all he'd just say that something's only for defence but in reality who wouldn't try to position themselves to be able to attack their old enemy the first opportunity they got? That's how he'd think and he's not capable of understanding people who think any differently.

[hammerofglass]

Raised NATO unity & commitment to destruction of Russia to unprecedented levels

I dispute that NATO's goal is the destruction of Russia. NATO's goal is a defence of the treaty's area or countries. Destruction of Russia becomes a goal however, if Russia attacks NATO-territory. Otherwise nobody gave a rat's arse about Russia.

Putin never understood that though. After all he'd just say that something's only for defence but in reality who wouldn't try to position themselves to be able to attack their old enemy the first opportunity they got? That's how he'd think and he's not capable of understanding people who think any differently.

The best defense is a dead enemy, they want defense, I'm their enemy, therefore they're trying to kill me.

[Madner Kami]

Raised NATO unity & commitment to destruction of Russia to unprecedented levels

I dispute that NATO's goal is the destruction of Russia. NATO's goal is a defence of the treaty's area or countries. Destruction of Russia becomes a goal however, if Russia attacks NATO-territory. Otherwise nobody gave a rat's arse about Russia.

Putin never understood that though. After all he'd just say that something's only for defence but in reality who wouldn't try to position themselves to be able to attack their old enemy the first opportunity they got? That's how he'd think and he's not capable of understanding people who think any differently.

There are currently a grand total of 3,000 russian soldiers left on Russia's NATO-borders and that is including the few forces (after milking them for reinforcements for the Ukraine invasion) in the ultra-important exclave of T̶w̶a̶n̶g̶s̶t̶e̶ K̶r̶ó̶l̶e̶w̶i̶e̶c̶ ̶K̶ö̶n̶i̶g̶s̶b̶e̶r̶g̶ Kaliningrad. 3,000 against 40,000 NATO troops, plus the combined armies of Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland. If NATO wanted, it'd be in Moscow by the end of the coming week. Putler and his cronies know that this narrative is bullshit, otherwise these numbers would look very different. The only ones believing it are russian nationalist retards. NATO genuinly being percieved as a threat by the Kremlin these days, is a myth on about the same level as the myth that everyone in the middle ages believed the Earth was flat.

[Riedquat]

Raised NATO unity & commitment to destruction of Russia to unprecedented levels

I dispute that NATO's goal is the destruction of Russia. NATO's goal is a defence of the treaty's area or countries. Destruction of Russia becomes a goal however, if Russia attacks NATO-territory. Otherwise nobody gave a rat's arse about Russia.

Putin never understood that though. After all he'd just say that something's only for defence but in reality who wouldn't try to position themselves to be able to attack their old enemy the first opportunity they got? That's how he'd think and he's not capable of understanding people who think any differently.

There are currently a grand total of 3,000 russian soldiers left on Russia's NATO-borders and that is including the few forces (after milking them for reinforcements for the Ukraine invasion) in the ultra-important exclave of T̶w̶a̶n̶g̶s̶t̶e̶ K̶r̶ó̶l̶e̶w̶i̶e̶c̶ ̶K̶ö̶n̶i̶g̶s̶b̶e̶r̶g̶ Kaliningrad. 3,000 against 40,000 NATO troops, plus the combined armies of Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland. If NATO wanted, it'd be in Moscow by the end of the coming week. Putler and his cronies know that this narrative is bullshit, otherwise these numbers would look very different. The only ones believing it are russian nationalist retards. NATO genuinly being percieved as a threat by the Kremlin these days, is a myth on about the same level as the myth that everyone in the middle ages believed the Earth was flat.

And you don't think Putin's a Russian nationalist retard with severe NATO paranoia?

[Madner Kami]

And you don't think Putin's a Russian nationalist retard with severe NATO paranoia?

I don't buy that for even a second. It's a narrative he uses to prop up his regime. He's a megalomaniac control-freak with a superiority complex. And the perfect example of the stereotypical russian troll.