Lower Decks Season 3

[CharlesPhipps]

I have the theory the Intrepid-class was meant to be the Starfleet "regular" class but they failed to be mass produced by the Dominion War and they created the California-class as a lot easier and shittier version.

And then after the Dominion War, Starfleet was stuck with a bunch of vessels they didn't want versus more advanced replacements.

[MightyDavidson]

I have the theory the Intrepid-class was meant to be the Starfleet "regular" class but they failed to be mass produced by the Dominion War and they created the California-class as a lot easier and shittier version.

And then after the Dominion War, Starfleet was stuck with a bunch of vessels they didn't want versus more advanced replacements.

And at least one Admiral to stupid to put the advanced tech, like the teleporters that can easily transport pre-fabricated outposts and such on the California-class ships rather then making a whole new class of automated ships who's AI you've not checked for psychosis. I mean it just seems to me that it would be easier to put all that stuff on vessels you already have, with trusted personnel, rather then risk AI going crazy.

[CharlesPhipps]

And at least one Admiral to stupid to put the advanced tech, like the teleporters that can easily transport pre-fabricated outposts and such on the California-class ships rather then making a whole new class of automated ships who's AI you've not checked for psychosis. I mean it just seems to me that it would be easier to put all that stuff on vessels you already have, with trusted personnel, rather then risk AI going crazy.

To be fair, the argument for automated ships makes perfect sense after the Dominion War and the mass casualties after that event. If they just have other ships handle the diplomacy elements, you can have automated ships do the cargo ferrying and so on that doesn't need a Captain Kirk.

[MightyDavidson]

And at least one Admiral to stupid to put the advanced tech, like the teleporters that can easily transport pre-fabricated outposts and such on the California-class ships rather then making a whole new class of automated ships who's AI you've not checked for psychosis. I mean it just seems to me that it would be easier to put all that stuff on vessels you already have, with trusted personnel, rather then risk AI going crazy.

To be fair, the argument for automated ships makes perfect sense after the Dominion War and the mass casualties after that event. If they just have other ships handle the diplomacy elements, you can have automated ships do the cargo ferrying and so on that doesn't need a Captain Kirk.

Sure, that does make sound logical sense. Of course that requires the ships to have been designed by somebody with a great deal of common sense, which I think we can agree is not the case here. At best BuenoAmigo cared more about advancing his career then then the safety of anybody, at worst he was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

[Madner Kami]

Dominion War casualties force automation? Yeahno. Sources state that Starfleet lost about a million personell and 90 million dead Federation civilians. That looks like a lot at first glance, until you realize that Picard once stated that there are a 150 Federation worlds and argueably, that number doesn't even account for colony worlds and only names the main worlds, as Kirk once mentioned humanity being on a thousand worlds or something. Plus any time we see the Federation council, it's a sea of species instead of a thousand humans plus everyone else.

Either way, that's a million or less dead per planet. That's less than the individual dead suffered per country during World War 2, with a total of 70 to 85 million dead world-wide. On a planetary scale, you don't even feel the loss of a million people...

[TGLS]

Well, on a purely demographic scale, the US recruits like 200 people per million people per year into the army. Assuming Starfleet has similar recruitment levels (one hand, no competition, other hand, post-scarcity), they'd be able to replace the bodies in a year.

From social standpoint though, recruitment could easily be surpressed by heavy casualties, politics could easily be swayed to a "no casualties" solution with even a little death given how peaceful 24th century Federation is, and they didn't lose a million raw recruits. It's far more likely they lost hundreds of thousands of seasoned officers. The new generation isn't going to get the same quality of training the last one did. That could have organizational impacts far in excess of the numbers.

[hammerofglass]

The militaries of all the great powers must be shockingly small dir population for those numbers to be true. And since one fairly incidental land battle had half a million casualties on just the Cardsssian side (11th Order wiped out) I frankly don't think they could be

[McAvoy]

And at least one Admiral to stupid to put the advanced tech, like the teleporters that can easily transport pre-fabricated outposts and such on the California-class ships rather then making a whole new class of automated ships who's AI you've not checked for psychosis. I mean it just seems to me that it would be easier to put all that stuff on vessels you already have, with trusted personnel, rather then risk AI going crazy.

To be fair, the argument for automated ships makes perfect sense after the Dominion War and the mass casualties after that event. If they just have other ships handle the diplomacy elements, you can have automated ships do the cargo ferrying and so on that doesn't need a Captain Kirk.

I would still imagine that any automated ship would still require a maintenance crew on pre and post flight cargo runs. But it would make logical sense if the ships are transporting goods, ore or non life items.

I wouldn't want to be on a automated ship carrying people. It's the same argument about passenger planes. Technically we can make planes pilotless but there is a strong support of having living people at the controls.

[stryke]

Good season that.

I don't think it was as good as season 2 which is weird as season 2 has that Gumatto one which is so incredibly shit that it should really bring things down, and there's not a single ep of 3 that I wouldn't call at least good. Yes, even the bugnuts bird one. I can only put to that the other nine episodes on average of s2 are still better or as good as these ten, but also has the titan that is Wej Duj which is like top five episodes of Trek period good.

There's also that there's no ep that really excels like No Small Parts managed in s1. Reflections and the DS9 one got close though for sure. Maybe also the Least Dangerous Game for having the second best joke in the season after 'just keep circling' in 'it provides a system of checks and balances'.

[CharlesPhipps]

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STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS is my favorite of the Nu Trek installments. I'm including the Abrams movies, Discovery, Picard, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds in that list. It's a pretty impressive array because I really did enjoy Star Trek: Picard and Strange New Worlds. I'm also very fond of the early seasons of Discovery as well as two out of the three films. However, if you do notice some caveats, that's because there are some caveats. Still, Lower Decks is by far my favorite and that's because it is squarely within my wheelhouse or warp core if you will.

I've always loved comedic mash-ups of genre fiction with it being my bread and butter as an author. I'm especially fond of continuity-heavy humor like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. While references is the lowest form of humor aside from pun, that doesn't mean it's not funny. Fans loving having their knowledge of a franchise rewarded and it sends a little signal to their brain that triggers our happiness glands.

Season three of Lower Decks followed my favorite of the franchise so far with Season Two's fantastic Pakled arc (which is itself a funny thing to say). Captain Freeman was put on trial for reason against the Federation and genocide, someone having blown up Pakled planet. It proceeds to follow a mostly loosely connected series of low-key events before an exciting finish to the season.

Honestly, I'm going to say this season lacked most of the standout episodes of previous seasons like "Crisis Point", "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie", "wej Duj", and more. The closest it came to a really classic episode was "The Stars at Night" and the very base-breaking "A Mathematically Perfect Redemption." I didn't dislike any of the episodes, with the possible exception of "Mining the Mind's Mines" and "Room for Growth" but the humor seemed pretty hit and miss this season. Also, the wacky yet serious Star Trek stories the show has been known to do were less noticeable this time around.

I believe Season Three was interested in doing a "reset" of the show's stakes. Gradually, our Lower Deckers have started to become more competent and less bungling in their handling of the galaxy's weirdness. This has occasionally run into the Harry Kim problem of why they remain Ensigns despite this but has been satisfying in terms of character growth. However, the show mostly dealt with almost trivial issues throughout and the difference between Billups needing to avoid having sex in order to be king versus getting a better set of rooms on Deck 1 are pretty apparent in their comic potential.

The character who most benefited from this season is undoubtedly Rutherford as we finally give him some much needed character development. "Reflections" gives him a past as a delinquent and rebel that contrasts nicely against his vanilla nice guy present persona. Unfortunately, that side of him chooses to die and leaves Rutherford without much character development.

The next character to benefit most would be Beckett Mariner who finally is forced to behave as a proper Starfleet officer by being put under someone other than her mother. This wildly sensible idea turns out to be a good one but I think a lot of fans expected another shoe to drop. Her actually shaping up ends up being something of a surprise by episode "Trusted Sources."

Tendi and Boimler get less interesting development with little coming from Tendi's assignment to become a science officer. She seems to be largely doing the same thing as she's always done. We do find out she wants to eventually become a captain, though. I also was interested in "Bold Boimler" but he was already showing alot of improvement after his return from the USS Titan. I'm not sure we've seen some real improvement there and he also makes some strange out of character decisions like ignoring fawning fangirls as well as wanting to travel in a sidecar.

It feels like much of this season was just running in place. "A Mathematically Perfect Redemption" may be primarily about bit-character Peanut Hamper but I really enjoyed it for the fact that it had such a mean-spirited twist. That's why I liked it and yet suspect many other people won't. "The Stars at Night" is also the best episode of the season by far, fully playing straight what was normally done for laughs. I liked the DS9 homages of "Hear All, Trust Nothing" but it didn't go very deep into it and I wanted to see more Mariner explore the station.

"Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus" is the episode I have the most mixed feelings about because it does some genuinely on-point and fascinating parody of the "other" kind of Star Trek movie. There's two basic Star Trek movies, IMO, with room for hyperbole. There's the Khan clones that the original "Crisis Point" parodied and then there's TMP clones that amount to a search for God/Heaven. Which is The Final Frontier and Generations but three times is a lot.

In conclusion, I feel like this season was certainly okay but is roughly on par with the first season in terms of both humor as well as writing. There's just not enough "meat" to the bone here. Still, Lower Decks is one of my favorite Star Trek show period.

8/10