https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA13Yn6dMcAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:14 amBeen reading reports that the GOP is losing faith with Trump now.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:59 am Well, this is unexpected and historic! Rather than the standard midterm losses, the democratic party has held strong and may actually keep its lead. Rather than doing any soul-searching, Republicans are accusing young people of being brainwashed by their teachers and pushing to raise the voting age.
Source on raising the voting age thing? I have heard this brought up before for mostly the same argument. Just curious what they ard saying now.
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It's absolutely DeSantis. One of the biggest wet dreams is having Trump for 2024 with DeSantis as VP and then have DeSantis as President for eight years from 2028 to 2036.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:02 pmIt's looking to be Ron DeSantis. He was already muscling in on the role, and the Murdoch media empire in particular is pushing him hard.clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:28 pm Something even more dangerous than Trump is coming: someone who has Trump's ideas but with a political brain and without the baggage. I dont know enough about your politics to name this person, but the people who voted Trump haven't gone anywhere.
But yeah, I wouldn't call this a Biden win, I would call this a Trump loss. The latter is spoilt goods now.
The reason is because of all his views, his handling of Covid in his state (as in opening early and not taking it seriously), and even sending illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard.
Basically he is what Trump puts himself out to be but actually serious and has the political knowhow to do it.
Trump knows this which is why he now attacking DeSantis. Calling him average, but I suspect no is buying that.
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Yeah... I read that. It's not like a Republican Senator said it. Just some anti-Muslim activist said it.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:37 amhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA13Yn6dMcAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:14 amBeen reading reports that the GOP is losing faith with Trump now.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:59 am Well, this is unexpected and historic! Rather than the standard midterm losses, the democratic party has held strong and may actually keep its lead. Rather than doing any soul-searching, Republicans are accusing young people of being brainwashed by their teachers and pushing to raise the voting age.
Source on raising the voting age thing? I have heard this brought up before for mostly the same argument. Just curious what they ard saying now.
Don't get me wrong. Like I said I have seen this before. The reason is pretty simple really, traditionally younger people will tend to vote Democrat. Though raising the age to 21 I doubt will change much. Maybe a handful will change their mind.
The other thing is this whole brainwashed narrative. Seems like a nice a go-to narrative when things don't get your way.
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Have been reading some comment sections on sites like Yahoo News, New York Post and Fox News when the news was about Trump.
There does seem like there is a major trend now to go away from Trump even by his supporters. Even so much calling him a devisive candidate that would make the liberals win again in 2024.
To me and I know it's a small sample size, that maybe even his own side is getting tired of Trump.
There does seem like there is a major trend now to go away from Trump even by his supporters. Even so much calling him a devisive candidate that would make the liberals win again in 2024.
To me and I know it's a small sample size, that maybe even his own side is getting tired of Trump.
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I feel like 2024 will be the end of something, maybe Trump's political career or maybe the GOP but the situation can't survive past the next presidential election.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:33 am Watching the GOP desperately trying to get rid of the Trump albatross around their neck before 2024 after they already refused all the ways to do it with any dignity should be fun.
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There was a substantial section of the Republicans that loathed Trump the first time he ran. Not all of them hitched their stars to his wagon.
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And Trump spent 4 years running the GOP into the ground because they would not follow him without question. Is anyone really surprised that the Democrats are gaining influence?Frustration wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:21 pm There was a substantial section of the Republicans that loathed Trump the first time he ran. Not all of them hitched their stars to his wagon.
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Most of them loathed him, but were too cowardly to say so on record. Submission to the greater power is the only law of the pit.Frustration wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:21 pm There was a substantial section of the Republicans that loathed Trump the first time he ran. Not all of them hitched their stars to his wagon.
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Did anyone run the numbers yet on if the disproportionate rate Republicans died from COVID-19 changed the outcome? Because it seems like some of those razor-close races it might have made the difference.
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I'm not so sure.Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:04 am I was honestly expecting a slaughter. Looks like people care more about reproductive rights than they do about inflation. It's honestly really heartening.
I mean the GOP beat the inflation drum massively but did they offer any solutions? Did they have an economic plan other than more tax breaks for the rich?
It was never a choice between rights and the economy. It was both for the Democrats.